Huh? NCAA Throws Away Rule Book on Transfers

[Kung Wu]

In some jurisdictions an employer cannot legally coerce an employee to buy a service from their company or any other company. Example of California law: https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/labor-code/lab-sect-450/

If the NLRB's opinion stands, then in those jurisdictions the universities cannot force their athletes (employees) to enroll (purchase a service) as a condition of employment.

CLUSTER F*#$!

[ShockTalk]

In some jurisdictions an employer cannot legally coerce an employee to buy a service from their company or any other company. Example of California law: https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/labor-code/lab-sect-450/

If the NLRB's opinion stands, then in those jurisdictions the universities cannot force their athletes (employees) to enroll (purchase a service) as a condition of employment.

CLUSTER F*#$!

In other words: The universities are just providing minor league basketball with no requirement to "go to school" or pass any courses?

Not just basketball, but all athletics.

[Atxshoxfan]

Actually, if this ruling holds the scholarships, stipends and any other fringe benefits received by the student athlete/employee would probably be considered taxable income under current tax law.

Good valid point. NCAA was bad but when our courts and Congress get involved in anything, it's much worse than NCAA could ever do.

[C0|dB|00ded]

You know, maybe I'm warming up to the idea of 30 schools or so leaving the NCAA and the rest of us going back to amateur sports. There's still PLENTY of talent to go around to make the games fun. I just want stability and things to return to the way they were. If that takes 30-40 schools leaving, creating their own semi-pro league, so be it. There are 363 DI schools out there. We can still have a pretty good national championship.

But the break has to be clean. And there can be NO jumping from the NCAA to the Greed League and back. Once you go pro, you are DONE going to college in the NCAA.

Of course this will never happen. There would be a minimum 75 schools pining to be included just so they can say they belong. That would kill the NCAA's quality.

Wasted keystrokes.

[Kel Varnsen]

Here's a take that you certainly won't hear in the news media, primarily because they have all lost any sense of critical thinking and objectivity.

The impending collapse of the NCAA is an overwhelming net negative for American society as a whole.

Trading in "use your athletic talents to get a free education" for "secure the bag and get that money" and encouraging such behavior in 18-22 year-olds will not yield a good result. That's a good thing for adults who understand the complexities of what they are sacrificing and gaining. Without the education piece of this, what does a kid get if he gets $100,000 in NIL money at a given school and doesn’t have the ability to play professionally? Is that truly a good thing for him?

Seems like it would be beneficial for him to get an education, surround himself with peers with career aspirations outside of sports, latch on to an alumni network after college, and do so in a fairly risk-free environment.

Was playing sports for a college scholarship really that bad of a deal? On top of scholarships and room/board worth anywhere from $15,000 to $50,000 depending on the school (and probably more), a student-athlete now receives quality (sometimes world-class) training in their desired sport, weight training, food/nutrition, travel, media exposure, preferred enrollment in courses, an additional stipend, and more. Altogether, these benefits are currently worth $50,000 to $100,000 at a minimum for D-I schools and probably more.

The way things are set up now, kids become mercenaries, not part of the university’s community. They lose the sense of belonging and a place they can come back to.

The concept of NIL is focused on the biggest schools with the biggest alumni bases but no one talks about the mid-major, low-major, FCS, D-II, or D-III athletes who make up most student-athletes that fall under the NCAA’s umbrella.

The previous system was set up to provide scholarships to hundreds of thousands of student-athletes each year, the overwhelming majority of whom will never play professional sports because being paid according to the profit they bring into the school would force them to pay money to the school’s athletic department to participate.

You know what sports this hurts most? It's not rocket science to understand that non-revenue sports and women's sports will be the hardest hit. But you know who is probably very displeased with this? The USOC. They rely on these colleges to give scholarships to elite athletes who train in sports like track and field, rowing, wrestling, and myriad others. Want to know why we're one of the few, if not the only, Olympic program to not use government funding? This is a big reason why.

TL;DR – the NCAA policy of amateurism was a net positive for as many student-athletes as reasonably possible, and this new policy throws the baby out with the bathwater.

[Aargh]

Pitino proposes salary cap for D1 BB.

That way he, Self and a few others can continue paying as much as they want while everybody else would be held to a limited amount of NIL. The Dartmouth decision kind of eliminates the need for NIL and puts the $$ directly in control of the universities.

https://frontofficesports.com/rick-pitino-proposes-salary-cap-for-college-basketball-in-light-of-dartmouth-decision/

[JVShocker]

I wouldn't have totally objected to being the Dartmouth President on this one. Hold a giant school meeting with all the prospective student athletes and general student body if they so wished.

"Okay, let's start off this meeting off with ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THIS IS THE ROUTE YOU WISH TO GO? I would have said, OK then. What I need is a show of hands. And we're going to do this two times (because, let's face it, most young people this age are selfish and stupid and greedy at times and can't see 10 minutes down the road unless their looking at google maps. One show of hands for anyone that doesn't want to unionize, that would LOVE to remain a STUDENT ATHLETE at this amazing institution of higher learning who would love to be on scholarship and play they sport they supposedly love. A show of hands please. Okay, I'm going to need those of you who raised their hands to go to this side of the room. Those who wanted anything otherwise, well, I'm afraid your services are no longer needed.

I would have given the scholarships to the student athletes who wished to have their college tuition, room, meals, books, etc. etc. etc. paid for. Time to call bullsh*t on all of this. We will not be held hostage to this complete and utter nonsense. If we don't have enough students enrolled at the school who wish to participate, well, we'll advertise and recruit STUDENT ATHLETES who wish to receive a world class education and set a HIGHER example of what student athletes and PEOPLE should be. Other than that, if you can't field a team, well, as Negan would say "It's time to shut that sh*t down."

[SubGod22]

Only problem with that is the Ivy schools don't give athletic scholarships. There's need based aid

[Dan]

Only problem with that is the Ivy schools don't give athletic scholarships. There's need based aid

True, but Ivy only recruit really smart kids, some of whom happen to be athletic enough to play sports for them. They make sure most of those kids get hefty academic scholarships.

[ShockTalk]

True, but Ivy only recruit really smart kids, some of whom happen to be athletic enough to play sports for them. They make sure most of those kids get hefty academic scholarships.

Wasn't Dartmouth the school that players wanted to unionize?

[Dan]

Wasn't Dartmouth the school that players wanted to unionize?

It’s what happens when we let kids influence policy. They think they have the answers without considering the implications. Too stupid to realize their brains aren’t even fully developed.

[ShockTalk]

It’s what happens when we let kids influence policy. They think they have the answers without considering the implications. Too stupid to realize their brains aren’t even fully developed.

"...but Ivy only recruit really smart kids, some of whom happen to be athletic enough to play sports for them. They make sure most of those kids get hefty academic scholarships."

[Dan]

"...but Ivy only recruit really smart kids, some of whom happen to be athletic enough to play sports for them. They make sure most of those kids get hefty academic scholarships."

Smart and Policy Making Wisdom are not one in the same. Surely you know that. Its like saying athletic and good at basketball are the same thing. They have what is called “potential”.

[ShockTalk]

Smart and Policy Making Wisdom are not one in the same. Surely you know that. Its like saying athletic and good at basketball are the same thing. They have what is called “potential”.

Just messin' with you.

I just found you saying Ivy League kids are "really smart kids" that were "too stupid to realize" interesting.

All in fun (I hope).

[BostonWu]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10110461-ncaas-nil-rules-suspended-after-federal-judge-issues-injunction-in-lawsuit

Seriously, if they're hell bent on no rules then my interest in college athletics will eventually dissipate.