Kevin Saal Report Card

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Frankly .. I sure as hell hope not. I hope I'm wrong but Green's resume sure has the same feel as Mills to me. A couple standout years in a lower level program .. then a lot of mediocrity ...

I was wondering when the “Green’s hiring is lazy, so Mills must be, too” takes would be coming out. Took 1 second.

I don’t see much correlation between the two. At all. That take is lazier than the Green hire.

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[Stickboy46]

I was wondering when the “Green’s hiring is lazy, so Mills must be, too” takes would be coming out. Took 1 second.

I don’t see much correlation between the two. At all. That take is lazier than the Green hire.

For as much as you accuse me of .. you do the exact same but in the opposite. Its very easy to see how the resumes of Green and Mills are very similar. You really want Mills to be a home run hire so you are blinded a bit. I really want him to not be a failure, so I'm definitely not blinded .. just the evidence so far isn't helping.

I guess we will find out over time.

[AndShock]

I was wondering when the “Green’s hiring is lazy, so Mills must be, too” takes would be coming out. Took 1 second.

I don’t see much correlation between the two. At all. That take is lazier than the Green hire.

There have been a few posters (I can count them on one hand) who were disappointed in the Mills hire. I don’t see why receiving supporting evidence to an opinion people have held for months is a “lazy take”.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

I was wondering when the “Green’s hiring is lazy, so Mills must be, too” takes would be coming out. Took 1 second.

I don’t see much correlation between the two. At all. That take is lazier than the Green hire.

Agree 100%. Absolutely no comparison between Mills and Green. This poster has just been waiting for anything that he can claim as validation of his hatred for Mills and Saal. This is the biggest reach of all time but I’m not surprised sticky jumped on it.

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For as much as you accuse me of .. you do the exact same but in the opposite. Its very easy to see how the resumes of Green and Mills are very similar. You really want Mills to be a home run hire so you are blinded a bit. I really want him to not be a failure, so I'm definitely not blinded .. just the evidence so far isn't helping.

I guess we will find out over time.

How? They aren’t even close.

Green reeks of nepotism. We ran off a shocker sports hall of famer and last year’s AAC COY to get him? After the best season the program has had in a decade.

He hasn’t finished in the top half of his conference his entire tenure at WAZZU.

Mills went to 2 of the last 3 NCAA Tournaments with a Sweet 16 and conference title and replaces someone who had 2 of the worst seasons in the last decade of shocker baseball each of the past 2 seasons.

Mills is not a home run. He is also not the drag you pretend he is. They aren’t the same. At all.

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How can he be graded on the coaches that have been hired when zero games have been played? Your emotional hatred for Mills will now carryover to Green I suppose. Now Saal earns an F from you. Who gives a flying flip what you think? Take a self imposed time out and chill for a while. You are over the fricking top with your criticism. If you are wrong you will rejoice because we are in a better spot. If you are right you will rejoice and say “See I told you so”.

Way to set your self up for future pats on the back.

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There have been a few posters (I can count them on one hand) who were disappointed in the Mills hire. I don’t see why receiving supporting evidence to an opinion people have held for months is a “lazy take”.

If “Green bad means Mills bad” isn’t lazy without comparing the 2 resumes, then idk what is?

[AndShock]

If “Green bad means Mills bad” isn’t lazy without comparing the 2 resumes, then idk what is?

Look at Green at NMSU and Mills at ORU and if you can’t see the similarities you are being intentionally obtuse. Sure, you can put Green a step below Mills but I don’t see how you can make Green a D or F and Mills an A or B. You could easily downplay Green’s failure at WaSU due to budget, conference, difficulty to win there, whatever. Once you do that they’re extremely similar.

[Stickboy46]

How? They aren’t even close.

Green reeks of nepotism. We ran off a shocker sports hall of famer and last year’s AAC COY to get him? After the best season the program has had in a decade.

He hasn’t finished in the top half of his conference his entire tenure at WAZZU.

Mills went to 2 of the last 3 NCAA Tournaments with a Sweet 16 and conference title and replaces someone who had 2 of the worst seasons in the last decade of shocker baseball each of the past 2 seasons.

Mills is not a home run. He is also not the drag you pretend he is. They aren’t the same. At all.

Nice Cherry picking .. let's look at overall careers

Mills
6 years
.558 Win percentage
.63 Win Percentage in conference
1 Conference title (Summit)
Other Finishes - 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th
2 Post Season Appearances (one with a decent run, one with getting blown out in the first round)

Green
9 Years
.556 Win Percentage (.562 NMSU, .544 WSU)
.544 Conference Win Percentage (.63 WAC, .406 Pac 12)
1 Conference Title (WAC)
Other Finishes - 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 8th, 8th, 9th, 10th
1 Post Season Appearance (NMSU and went 0fer)

So yea .. very similar hire .... basically identical win percentages, identical conference win percentages at a lower level conference, same number of conference titles. Only thing Mills has going for him is he has 1 additional post season.

Those are fact .. not my opinion. Keep cherry picking and arguing if you want .. but it is what it is. We picked a similar candidate for Baseball as we did for Basketball. It's based on hope and not anything that really jumps out as a for sure winner on their resume.

Based on your thought process, you would have been ecstatic for hiring Green if we hired him straight out of NMSU before he jumped to the WSU .. because well.. then there would be nearly nothing different between Green and Mills

[Stickboy46]

Agree 100%. Absolutely no comparison between Mills and Green. This poster has just been waiting for anything that he can claim as validation of his hatred for Mills and Saal. This is the biggest reach of all time but I’m not surprised sticky jumped on it.

The data is the data .. see above.

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Nice Cherry picking .. let's look at overall careers

Mills
6 years
.558 Win percentage
.63 Win Percentage in conference
1 Conference title (Summit)
Other Finishes - 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th
2 Post Season Appearances (one with a decent run, one with getting blown out in the first round)

Green
9 Years
.556 Win Percentage (.562 NMSU, .544 WSU)
.544 Conference Win Percentage (.63 WAC, .406 Pac 12)
1 Conference Title (WAC)
Other Finishes - 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 8th, 8th, 9th, 10th
1 Post Season Appearance (NMSU and went 0fer)

So yea .. very similar hire .... basically identical win percentages, identical conference win percentages at a lower level conference, same number of conference titles. Only thing Mills has going for him is he has 1 additional post season.

Those are fact .. not my opinion. Keep cherry picking and arguing if you want .. but it is what it is. We picked a similar candidate for Baseball as we did for Basketball. It's based on hope and not anything that really jumps out as a for sure winner on their resume.

Based on your thought process, you would have been ecstatic for hiring Green if we hired him straight out of NMSU before he jumped to the WSU .. because well.. then there would be nearly nothing different between Green and Mills

The last 3 years of a 6-year turnaround is not cherry picking.

That’s going off the most recent data set you have. You’re saying his first season when he took over an 8-22 team is more relevant to include in the data set than the last 3?

Give me a break. It’s hardly worth responding to it’s so dumb.

[Dan]

Took me some searching to find out who “Green” was. I figured WSU must have hired someone so I check Taylor Eldridge twitter feed, nothing. Check Wichita Eagle, nothing. Check GoShockers.com, nothing. Do a Google search, WSU hires Green and find it on the KWCH page. This is really odd. Is Taylor being pushed away by the current athletic department?

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Look at Green at NMSU and Mills at ORU and if you can’t see the similarities you are being intentionally obtuse. Sure, you can put Green a step below Mills but I don’t see how you can make Green a D or F and Mills an A or B. You could easily downplay Green’s failure at WaSU due to budget, conference, difficulty to win there, whatever. Once you do that they’re extremely similar.

Ignoring the obvious holes in comparing the two resumes, of which there are several, you’re completely missing the context of which both were hired.

The context of it is what makes this particularly bad and is the biggest thing that makes it different.

But if we’re pretending that 2 of 3 NCAA tournaments a conference tournament title and regular seasons title and a Sweet 16 is the same as 1 tournament in 9 years with zero wins then sure they’re carbon copies.

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The last 3 years of a 6-year turnaround is not cherry picking.

That’s going off the most recent data set you have. You’re saying his first season when he took over an 8-22 team is more relevant to include in the data set than the last 3?

Give me a break. It’s hardly worth responding to it’s so dumb.

I'm sorry their career numbers didn't line up with your hopeful narrative. It's "hardly worth responding" because you know you can't argue against it. It's the facts.

And yes picking the years you want to use is exactly what cherry picking is.