Welcome - Paul Mills

[N Crestway]

Ironically, I am assuming a player who was academically ineligible this semester contributed to this result:

Nice turn around for Cortez... proud of this team. Think academics will be a significant part of the foundation for Mills' program.

[SubGod22]

I believe this is a huge part n our current PG situation. Mills' hands were pretty much tied while waiting for Abmas to make a decision.

That's still on Mills. It was one of the things I hated about Turgeon. He'd put all his effort into option A and then there was a pretty large fall off to anyone left that he was recruiting for that position.

[Bluzrover]

Abmas chose to chase the $. I am not faulting him, but that is a fact.

I don’t disagree with this but I think it’s plausible that he also wanted to play for a team that would be competitive in the tourney rather than help his coach out in a rebuilding year. He’s got a lot more eyes on him right now than he would had he chose to wear the yellow and black. I can’t fault him for that.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Abmas chose to chase the $. I am not faulting him, but that is a fact.

[Aargh]

I don't know how much Abmas would have helped us (this year), but, in 2013, we had some good fortune to sign a player named Cleanthony Early, and with the Point guards we had signed for the next two years, it added up to a couple of great years of basketball ( culminating in a F4, and #1 Seed the following year). Would Abmas have done the same for us this year, I doubt that we have the same supporting class for him that we did then, but as Early did in 2013, Abmas might have been a big contributor to a good year of basketball this year (maybe Top 25-50), had we been able to get him here. From reports we were close to getting him here even though the National Media didn't think so.

I believe this is a huge part n our current PG situation. Mills' hands were pretty much tied while waiting for Abmas to make a decision.

[Shockm]

I don't know how much Abmas would have helped us (this year), but, in 2013, we had some good fortune to sign a player named Cleanthony Early, and with the Point guards we had signed for the next two years, it added up to a couple of great years of basketball ( culminating in a F4, and #1 Seed the following year). Would Abmas have done the same for us this year, I doubt that we have the same supporting class for him that we did then, but as Early did in 2013, Abmas might have been a big contributor to a good year of basketball this year (maybe Top 25-50), had we been able to get him here. From reports we were close to getting him here even though the National Media didn't think so.

[1972Shocker]

Ironically, I am assuming a player who was academically ineligible this semester contributed to this result:

[SubGod22]

Did you not see the VERY RECENT SUCCESS part?

Reading comprehension is important

Pretty easy to sustain after a Final 4

They had no success until they killed it in the portal. That's what took them to the Final Four. It's not like it's ancient history.

[shockerfan]

FAU laughs at this.

Did you not see the VERY RECENT SUCCESS part?

Reading comprehension is important

Pretty easy to sustain after a Final 4

[SubGod22]

I wonder why everyone thinks that teams can be built so easily in the transfer portal? That may be the case for programs with VERY recent success or programs with huge NIL's. But many of the players that would come in and be big contributors and help WSU compete for AAC championships and NCAA tourney bids will be highly sought after and have LOTS of good options out there.

Not saying it can't happen, it certainly could. But IMHO it wont be easy for Mills to completely rebuild with the portal in the current state of things. He will likely have to hit a jackpot with an unsung player or players that were hidden on a talented team somewhere, which is partly what he tried to do this year. Some will pan out, some won't. That is gonna take patience on our end and a little luck.

FAU laughs at this.

[shockerfan]

I wonder why everyone thinks that teams can be built so easily in the transfer portal? That may be the case for programs with VERY recent success or programs with huge NIL's. But many of the players that would come in and be big contributors and help WSU compete for AAC championships and NCAA tourney bids will be highly sought after and have LOTS of good options out there.

Not saying it can't happen, it certainly could. But IMHO it wont be easy for Mills to completely rebuild with the portal in the current state of things. He will likely have to hit a jackpot with an unsung player or players that were hidden on a talented team somewhere, which is partly what he tried to do this year. Some will pan out, some won't. That is gonna take patience on our end and a little luck.

[pinstripers]

Yea, with the freebie court ordered transfer rule extending into next year, it's going to be a free for all this spring I fear. So it will be key for Mills to keep the players we really need to keep. (no reason at this point to think he won't)

Back in the day, we expected to lose 2 or 3 to transfer every season, and that was before today's transfer madness. No reason to think we won't lose a half dozen.

[WuShock16]

Aargh,
Pretty much spot on.
The difference between FHCGM's first year and HCPM's is the landscape of collegiate sports.
NIL and the effects of the green lettuce of salvation is indisputable. It's just a whole new world vs 2007 and GM's first year.
However, there are those on here who still think GM is coming back and Happy Dayz will instantly be here again.
It ain't happening folks.

PM taking over this program and the mess left to him is a major rebuild job - just as FCGM had one too.
But the way GM did it and the manner that PM will have to go through are totally different.
People on here forget GM started with guys like Duke Tschomba and Adam Grundvig. Results were as expected, with GM ultimately getting whacked by JD Collins in the MVC Tourney.

PM knew what he was getting into here. He is also much better equipped to right the ship as he understands NIL, the Portal and players in todays game.
It's not a place for the weak minded or those who aspire to learn on the job.

Practice some patience people. This will not happen overnight or especially in the first season. There is a plan and a guy who has the support to get the job done.
But expecting everything to come together in one season is nonsense and foolishness.

That is all.

Pretty sure those guys were leftovers that MT received.

[ShockRef]

Shamet played his last year here, but not his senior year.

Tang had Marquis Nowell on the roster. Mills has Xavier Bell on the roster. If you want to compare Mills first year to Tang's first year, go ahead and compare Nowell to Bell as a team's starting PG. K State dropped off significantly when Nowell graduated.

K State alums have more money than you might think. Farmers retiring with 2,000 acres are able to sell that for around $3,000 an acre, and K State fans are LOYAL to K State.

The "narrative" is that things at WSU had gone downhill quite a ways before Mills arrived. Mills ability to right the ship has been affected by changes in college basketball. Mills is already taking heat on SN, mostly from posters who opposed his hire.

Aargh,
Pretty much spot on.
The difference between FHCGM's first year and HCPM's is the landscape of collegiate sports.
NIL and the effects of the green lettuce of salvation is indisputable. It's just a whole new world vs 2007 and GM's first year.
However, there are those on here who still think GM is coming back and Happy Dayz will instantly be here again.
It ain't happening folks.

PM taking over this program and the mess left to him is a major rebuild job - just as FCGM had one too.
But the way GM did it and the manner that PM will have to go through are totally different.
People on here forget GM started with guys like Duke Tschomba and Adam Grundvig. Results were as expected, with GM ultimately getting whacked by JD Collins in the MVC Tourney.

PM knew what he was getting into here. He is also much better equipped to right the ship as he understands NIL, the Portal and players in todays game.
It's not a place for the weak minded or those who aspire to learn on the job.

Practice some patience people. This will not happen overnight or especially in the first season. There is a plan and a guy who has the support to get the job done.
But expecting everything to come together in one season is nonsense and foolishness.

That is all.

[Stickboy46]

Tad early for this discussion, isn't it? By my count, (feel free to correct me) there is only 2 that won't be back, and 1 scholarship left unused this year. Mills has filled 2 of those with what I would consider, very good freshmen, at a minimum. The addition of those 2, however, could also affect 2 of our current players Mills recruited this year. If so, we may have another spot or two to fill.

Hopefully we'll have a minimum of defections, so that should give more insight to his coaching skills next year. The following year, he will definitely need to be on top of his recruiting game.

Yea, with the freebie court ordered transfer rule extending into next year, it's going to be a free for all this spring I fear. So it will be key for Mills to keep the players we really need to keep. (no reason at this point to think he won't)