James Anacreon to Transfer

[WuDrWu]

I'd like to thank TMH for the epic use of Occam's razor. It's been awhile.

Well done sir.

[wusphlash]

Annual departures and arrivals are common in today's basketball world. This is not a Gregg Marshall, WSU, MVC, Division 1 phenomenon. It happens at all schools and at all levels. I doubt that any of us are aware of players at other schools, with James type minutes, that will be transfering this year. I guarantee it is happening. This ain't our daddy's college basketball. It's a time of ESPN, AAU traveling teams and and extemely mobile society. 50% of marriages end in divorce so if Gregg can stay above that figure I'll consider it a success.

I wish James well.

[1972Shocker]

I'd like to thank TMH for the epic use of Occam's razor. It's been awhile.

Well done sir.

And for the less educated posters such as myself it is sometimes referred to as the KISS principle.

[tropicalshox]

There is usually a pretty complete list of D-1 transfers on the internet every year. I've never totaled up the number as it would take a while.

[shockmonster]

Hoopsnut has been all over Marshall several times. Has he ever had a positive thing to say about Coach?

[Kung Wu]

Dog pile on @hoopsnut:, I'm on top!!

[Dan]

To a degree, I agree with HoopsNut. I don't like seeing players transfer know matter how unproductive they are on game day. Afterall, Robinson and Withey were role players for KU last year, so you never know what the potential can be in the long run. On the other hand, it's a two way street. I'm sure almost all kids choose the school based on the best school where they think they can get the most playing time. When they end up glued to the bench, sometimes they have to re-evaluate their decisions and move on to a different program. I don't think this is all on Marshall. I'm sure they have annual player evaluations and in these meetings the players and coaches have candid discussions about what is expected in the off-season to improve, whether schollastically or athletically. It's no different than the real world when your boss lays out the annual goals and objectives. If you don't think you can measure up, sometimes it's best to just move on.

[shox1989]

To a degree, I agree with HoopsNut. I don't like seeing players transfer know matter how unproductive they are on game day. Afterall, Robinson and Withey were role players for KU last year, so you never know what the potential can be in the long run. On the other hand, it's a two way street. I'm sure almost all kids choose the school based on the best school where they think they can get the most playing time. When they end up glued to the bench, sometimes they have to re-evaluate their decisions and move on to a different program. I don't think this is all on Marshall. I'm sure they have annual player evaluations and in these meetings the players and coaches have candid discussions about what is expected in the off-season to improve, whether schollastically or athletically. It's no different than the real world when your boss lays out the annual goals and objectives. If you don't think you can measure up, sometimes it's best to just move on.

I agree with you. I think 1 or 2 players transferring a year (out of 13) is okay. It really is part of the normal process. But any more than that and I start to get concerned. We have now had 2 this year.

[wufan]

Afterall, Robinson and Withey were role players for KU last year, so you never know what the potential can be in the long run.

Well, Robinson and Withey were role players. Anacreon was a bench warmer. This isn't to bag on the guy, but for one reason or another he did not see the court. I'm sure Coach made it clear that the liklihood of that changing was slim.

So, Marshall has been here 5 full seasons. Who, on scholarship, transferred out? Gal Mekel doesn't count as he went pro.

Preadom
Butler
Chamberlain
Hawkins
Manigault
Coy (quit the team)
Richardson
Hamilton
Ede
Anacreon

That's an average of two per year unless I missed someone. No issues with that.

Here's a better question. How many players have been ruled ineligable due to academics or rules violation over that time?

1. Joe Ragland, who was screwed by the WSU admin. That is an impressive job in my opinion!

[vancedave56]

I was thinking Preadom was under Turgeon, but not sure.
...and Butler too? Came in with Durly didn't he?

[ShockTalk]

I was thinking Preadom was under Turgeon, but not sure.
...and Butler too? Came in with Durly didn't he?

They came in with MT, they went out with HCGM. So maybe they shouldn't be counted.

[Aargh]

Much to the consternation of some on SN, Mrshall has demonstrated repeatedly that he will play the guys who put in the effort in practice, learn the drills, learn the system, and demonstrate they can play within the system. This has led to some superior athletes not getting playing time because some hard working guy who does things the way Marshall wants them done get all the minutes. I present one Graham Hatch as an example of this. I have examples of plyers who lost PT becaus of their lack or effort and discipline in practices, but those are best left unmentioned.

If you are James Anacreon and you are behind Carl Hall (who is in your eligibility class) and there's a Parade AA (who was signed before you and plays your position) getting minutes ahead of you, how would you evaluate your chances of getting minutes next year? Oh, there's another JuCo AA POY type coming in who also plays your position.

Anacreon knew at the beginning of the season what was going to be required to get minutes. For one reason or another, that didn't happen. Even I could recognize that he was out of position more often than not when he got minutes.

Put yourself in Anacreon's shoes again. Would you rather spend a year 1,000 miles from home sitting on the bench? Or would you rather transfer to possibly a D2 school somewhere closer to home, lose no playing years, and get significant minutes your senior year?

Anacreon was not recruited over. He was the last recruit brought in. He didn't beat anybody for PT, but he was given that opportunity and he accepted the challenge. I absolutely believe he asked out to get closer to home and get some PT. If he didn't and Marshall cut him loose, Marshall did him a favor.

[Kung Wu]

It's not like it was a waste of anybody's time. He was a good player that probably made our team better during practices. He got to experience the excitement and wrath of the NCAA tournament, which very few NCAA players ever get to experience. He just isn't gonna get the PT he'd like to have his senior year, so he he should find a better fit.

[forevershockerfan]

Who knows, it may have been all Mr. Anacreon's idea? Hard to know. This I do believe. I'm confident that Coach Marshall shared pure honesty in the after Season evaluation period. Most players want to be on the floor as much as possible. This decision was very possible a win-win proposition for all involved. I wish him the very best from here.

[WSUwatcher]

Yes, FSF, I'd go a step further -- it was almost certainly a win for all concerned. Best of luck to James, along with much playing time in a situation that lends itself to that for him.