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  • #31
    Originally posted by Dan View Post
    We just need to get better and start dominating the valley. We're not leaving it, so let's be like memphis and destroy the competition.
    Agreed. The Valley will be better next year. Maybe that will make us tougher, quicker. Just in time for the dance... We will win Arch Madness when we least expect it. Is it December yet?
    Kansas is Flat. The Earth is Not!!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by BenWSU View Post
      Too much time off between Valley tournament and NCAA tournament doesnt help
      Getting tired of this excuse. Sure hasn't stopped VCU or Butler from making their runs lately..
      Deuces Valley.
      ... No really, deuces.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by ShockerFever View Post
        Getting tired of this excuse. Sure hasn't stopped VCU or Butler from making their runs lately..
        +1 Didn't stop us from winning the NIT and absolutely steamrolling 4 pretty good power conference teams either.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by BenWSU View Post
          Too much time off between Valley tournament and NCAA tournament doesnt help
          Yep, I put some of the blame on this. Just like timeouts kill momentum during games, time off kills momentum during a season.
          "It's amazing to watch Ron slide into that open area, Fred will find him and it's straight cash homie."--HCGM

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          • #35
            Rapid reaction: VCU 62, Wichita State 59

            http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...chita-state-59
            Kansas is Flat. The Earth is Not!!

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            • #36
              What is interesting is that statistically, in this match up....the numbers look a little funny

              Field Goal Percentage Defense...Shocks at #19....VCU not in top 50.

              But...Scoring Defense....VCU #20 and the Shocks not in top 50.

              I would think these two stats would track together.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by KC Shox View Post
                Noooooo, we played against a team who has a defense we are not accustomed to seeing. The guys simply didn't have the necessary experience to react positively do what they were seeing. They can attempt to practice it, but game speed is way different than practice.
                I think 3G recognized that duplicating what VCU does in practice is very difficult. He attempted by putting 6 guys on defense in practices.

                We played two consecutive bad games to end the season in which we shot the ball very poorly. I will give VCU some of the credit for that, but not total credit for that. We picked the wrong time to have a shooting slump.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by cjp27 View Post
                  +1 Didn't stop us from winning the NIT and absolutely steamrolling 4 pretty good power conference teams either.
                  Nor did it prevent our Sweet 16 run in 2006.

                  In fact, the game way we played against VCU last night was way too similar to the way we played against Illinoins State in the Valley tournament. Unfortunately, not enough changed during the time off.

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                  • #39
                    we played in to VCU's style of play, I wish we would have slowed the game down and not let them dictate the game. Let them foul us if they want to play havoc defense, high risk high reward, but we just got out coached as well.

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                    • #40
                      Yeah, UNLV tried to speed us up also and that didn't work out too welll...wait a minute. Never mind.

                      The one thing that VCU did a better job of then any other team we played this year was taking Joe Ragland out of the game, especially for the 1st 25 minutes. Not sure any other team really made the concentrated effort to do that to the extent VCU did.

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                      • #41
                        I think the VCU defense is on the edge of being gimmicky and thus hard to prerpare for - much like a knuckleballter or Air Force's offense.

                        However, we should have been a good enough team to over come it, and we were close to doing that and against Ill State.

                        All we needed to do was shot 1 or 2% higher. We didn't need to even bring our A game to win.

                        I think we win 7 out of 10, but that's the way it goes.
                        Last edited by ABC; March 16, 2012, 04:04 PM.

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                        • #42
                          One problem between this game and the Valley is the trade-marked Valley Flop. We're used to brushing up against an opponent and them falling to the ground. VCU stood strong and made us out muscle them. Hall played very well against this type of D. Same with Cotton. Some of the others just expected the defense to fall down when we were in the paint. VCU looked like a full court version of SIU circa 2004.
                          Livin the dream

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                          • #43
                            Have no idea what was going through Garrett's mind when he missed that last close shot, but I wondered if he was fearing another flop/charge call and short armed everything? It sure looked like it after watching it again.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by shoxlax View Post
                              Have no idea what was going through Garrett's mind when he missed that last close shot, but I wondered if he was fearing another flop/charge call and short armed everything? It sure looked like it after watching it again.
                              I definitely believe that to be the case. He didn't recognize that the defender was backing away, equally afraid of picking up a foul.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by billybud View Post
                                What is interesting is that statistically, in this match up....the numbers look a little funny

                                Field Goal Percentage Defense...Shocks at #19....VCU not in top 50.

                                But...Scoring Defense....VCU #20 and the Shocks not in top 50.

                                I would think these two stats would track together.
                                You can't defend the free throw line.

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