Bring back I.B.

[Speed]

WSU is getting what it deserves right now. The fans, the players, donors, alumni and students don't deserve this. Even I.B. deserves better. The administration doesn't.

[Onegreatracer]

No No, we appreciate all of the NEW information you were able to export with your rant. It’s only been 18 months since it all happened, and I’m sure you’ve been very busy, and unable to get this NEW information off of your chest. We all hope your burden feels lighter.

I’m not coming at you for your opinion. Only for your need to say things that have been repeatedly said again, and again, during the past 18 months. I apologize for my sarcasm and hope you get my drift on the redundancy of your statements. Did I mention that I’m being redundant?

My current concern is our current coach.

I just saw this edit. I apologize as well for my hostile responses and I understand the frustration of hearing the same things repeated. It just always bothers me that people are still lamenting for Marshall back every day, not because I'm glad he's gone but because our program is so much more than one coach. I think we can definitely agree that things are not where they need to be right now and our focus should be to fix the problems laying ahead, not behind.


Once again, apologies. It has been a tough day, and year, for those of us that invest so much time, energy, money, and attention into this program and I have no doubt that you feel the same on that.

[WuTheOne]

Oregon has it nailed. The reason it's still being brought up 18 months later is that many on this board still think GGG should be WSU's coach. Some posters need to be reminded that GGG would still be the coach had he chosen to still be the coach. He would have had to do some apologies and show some remorse. GGG refused to do that. It was that simple and GGG refused. He knew Boatright was in it up to his neck and that he couldn't be fired for cause and that his settlement for leaving would bankrupt the athletic department. That's what Marshall chose to do instead of making an apology, admitting to some wrongdoing, and remaining WSU's coach.

Marshall's choice was to make an apology and remain as WSU's coach for $3.5 mill a year or to refuse to make an apology, get $1.7 mill for 6 years for doing nothing, and bankrupting the athletic department in the process.

Marshall's negotiated buyout is the reason the athletic department can't fire Boatright or replace IB. If Marshall had simply made an apology, even if he didn't mean it, we woudn't be in the situation we're in today. Marshall made WSU a national brand. Then he stuck a dagger in the heart of the program because his pride stood in the way of his admitting to a mistake and making a simple apology.

SN has a lot of posters who are Marshall fans before they are WSU fans.

[ShockerFever]

Oh Aargh, get off your high horse. You were the biggest Marshall lover until things went south. Then you jumped ship and went the holier-than-thou route.

No, it was not Marshall that bankrupted the athletic department. It was Darron Boatright. If he would've nipped this bud in the beginning, it wouldn't have put the department in financial ruin. If Boatright wasn't the beta in the relationship, it would've been taken care of at the time of the alleged incident. But it didn't and Marshall did what any person with a pulse would've done.

[WuTheOne]

Oh Aargh, get off your high horse. You were the biggest Marshall lover until things went south. Then you jumped ship and went the holier-than-thou route.

No, it was not Marshall that bankrupted the athletic department. It was Darron Boatright. If he would've nipped this bud in the beginning, it wouldn't have put the department in financial ruin. If Boatright wasn't the beta in the relationship, it would've been taken care of at the time of the alleged incident. But it didn't and Marshall did what any person with a pulse would've done.

You're pretty much wrong on every point you tried to make. Your equating me with another poster is just wrong, but since you would never admit to making a mistake, there's nothing I can do to make you stop referring me to someone that I am not. All Marshall had to do was say, "I made a mistake. I'm sorry. Shaq, I was wrong in what I did to you" and GGG is still WSU's coach, the donors are happy, and the athletic department is flush with coin.

Boatright made the original error, but correcting the problem when it occurred would have resulted in Marshall leaving WSU. Marshall equaled winning and winning held all the power. Marshall could have done anything he wanted and DB was powerless to take any action. When the **** finally hit the fan, Marshall had a choice. Admit to some wrongdoing, make some apologies (even if it was only words), and promise to do better in the future. The other choice was to admit nothing, negotiate a sweetheart buyout and bankrupt the athletic department. Marshall chose to bankrupt the athletic department and get paid $7 mill for doing nothing.

[Maizerunner08]

Oh Aargh, get off your high horse. You were the biggest Marshall lover until things went south. Then you jumped ship and went the holier-than-thou route.

No, it was not Marshall that bankrupted the athletic department. It was Darron Boatright. If he would've nipped this bud in the beginning, it wouldn't have put the department in financial ruin. If Boatright wasn't the beta in the relationship, it would've been taken care of at the time of the alleged incident. But it didn't and Marshall did what any person with a pulse would've done.

Yep. Why the hell did DB not raise this issue when it happened? Was he scared of 3G? If so, that’s a weak leader. A leader can’t be scared of their employees. If he was scared of 3G, he should have resigned right then and there.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

You're pretty much wrong on every point you tried to make. Your equating me with another poster is just wrong, but since you would never admit to making a mistake, there's nothing I can do to make you stop referring me to someone that I am not. All Marshall had to do was say, "I made a mistake. I'm sorry. Shaq, I was wrong in what I did to you" and GGG is still WSU's coach, the donors are happy, and the athletic department is flush with coin.

Boatright made the original error, but correcting the problem when it occurred would have resulted in Marshall leaving WSU. Marshall equaled winning and winning held all the power. Marshall could have done anything he wanted and DB was powerless to take any action. When the **** finally hit the fan, Marshall had a choice. Admit to some wrongdoing, make some apologies (even if it was only words), and promise to do better in the future. The other choice was to admit nothing, negotiate a sweetheart buyout and bankrupt the athletic department. Marshall chose to bankrupt the athletic department and get paid $7 mill for doing nothing.

Do you understand how contracts work? Because you sure don't seem to. And before you get all high and mighty, consider this, if your employer was treating you unfairly and was about to can you and you were owed $7 million, would you say "No, you know what, I was wrong, keep the money."?

Marshall did not bankrupt the athletic department. Poor choices on the part of the administration and a worldwide pandemic have more to do with that.

[Stickboy46]

Do you understand how contracts work? Because you sure don't seem to. And before you get all high and mighty, consider this, if your employer was treating you unfairly and was about to can you and you were owed $7 million, would you say "No, you know what, I was wrong, keep the money."?

Marshall did not bankrupt the athletic department. Poor choices on the part of the administration and a worldwide pandemic have more to do with that.

That's not really what he was saying. Marshall was owed 15 mil. There was enough evidence that something happened that Marshall agreed to 50% of what he was owed. He's saying that if Marshall would have just apologized he would still be here making 3.5+ million a year. He couldn't swallow his pride and put out a statement denying all allegations. If he just apologized or frankly said nothing .. then he would have been the coach. I personally dont think he did it with intent to bankrupt the program but i do think his pride got in the way and was one of about 10 reasons why the department is in the financial shape that it is in. The other 9 are likely Boatright's fault so he needs to go.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

That's not really what he was saying. Marshall was owed 15 mil. There was enough evidence that something happened that Marshall agreed to 50% of what he was owed. He's saying that if Marshall would have just apologized he would still be here making 3.5+ million a year. He couldn't swallow his pride and put out a statement denying all allegations. If he just apologized or frankly said nothing .. then he would have been the coach. I personally dont think he did it with intent to bankrupt the program but i do think his pride got in the way and was one of about 10 reasons why the department is in the financial shape that it is in. The other 9 are likely Boatright's fault so he needs to go.

I am referring to the fact that he said Marshall negotiated a sweetheart buyout, which is false. It was in his contract. He just held the University to the contract if they were going to let him go. Doucheboat is majority to blame for all of it. And Golden for his idiocy and whoever the hell hired Golden.

[Stickboy46]

I am referring to the fact that he said Marshall negotiated a sweetheart buyout, which is false. It was in his contract. He just held the University to the contract if they were going to let him go. Doucheboat is majority to blame for all of it. And Golden for his idiocy and whoever the hell hired Golden.

Right, the 7.75 mil buyout says it all. There was enough evidence that Marshall accepted 50% and enough blame on the AD to pay 7.5 mil for something with evidence. It was both sides covering their asses. But yet again .. if he just apologized, we likely could still have him at coach. Who knows if the media damage would have caused irreparable damage to recruiting though.

[ShockerFever]

You're pretty much wrong on every point you tried to make. Your equating me with another poster is just wrong, but since you would never admit to making a mistake, there's nothing I can do to make you stop referring me to someone that I am not. All Marshall had to do was say, "I made a mistake. I'm sorry. Shaq, I was wrong in what I did to you" and GGG is still WSU's coach, the donors are happy, and the athletic department is flush with coin.

Boatright made the original error, but correcting the problem when it occurred would have resulted in Marshall leaving WSU. Marshall equaled winning and winning held all the power. Marshall could have done anything he wanted and DB was powerless to take any action. When the **** finally hit the fan, Marshall had a choice. Admit to some wrongdoing, make some apologies (even if it was only words), and promise to do better in the future. The other choice was to admit nothing, negotiate a sweetheart buyout and bankrupt the athletic department. Marshall chose to bankrupt the athletic department and get paid $7 mill for doing nothing.

lol

[Onegreatracer]

Right, the 7.75 mil buyout says it all. There was enough evidence that Marshall accepted 50% and enough blame on the AD to pay 7.5 mil for something with evidence. It was both sides covering their asses. But yet again .. if he just apologized, we likely could still have him at coach. Who knows if the media damage would have caused irreparable damage to recruiting though.

That would've been my biggest issue - it's no secret that 3G can find gems anywhere, but I'm not sure we would've ever been able to pull McDuffie's, Shamets etc that had both the toughness to play for GM and the raw talent/athleticism to play in the AAC

[Signman]

"If Marshall would've publicly apologized, taken a fairly hefty suspension and some kind of PR stunt anger management class, he would still be here." by Onegreatracer

My understanding, from a source very close to this situation, was that Gregg Marshall privately offered to do something like the above with former interim President Rick Muma and was turned down.

[ShockerFever]

"If Marshall would've publicly apologized, taken a fairly hefty suspension and some kind of PR stunt anger management class, he would still be here." by Onegreatracer

My understanding, from a source very close to this situation, was that Gregg Marshall privately offered to do something like the above with former interim President Rick Muma and was turned down.

Strike 4 for Muma.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

"If Marshall would've publicly apologized, taken a fairly hefty suspension and some kind of PR stunt anger management class, he would still be here." by Onegreatracer

My understanding, from a source very close to this situation, was that Gregg Marshall privately offered to do something like the above with former interim President Rick Muma and was turned down.

Let's wait and see what WuTheOne's "special source" has to say. Lol!!!