A lot of talk here about switching conferences?

[pinstripers]

Football ain't coming back. Are we that attractive to other conferences? Are we?

[billybud]

You've got me - Notre Dame is the exception. But it is the only exception.

I tend to think that if Notre Dame finally relents and moves their FB team into a conference, they will move their basketball team to the same conference, especially with the instability in the Big East.

Nope...The ACC has said to Notre Dame...al sports or you don't play in our conference...

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-blog/dp-teel-time-acc-commissioner-john-swofford-closes-door-on-partial-notre-dame-membership-20111019,0,4211491.story

[WillieJeffJeffries]

And KU was never in danger of going to the MWC. They would have been picked up by one of the BcS conference. KSU on the other hand....

They very much were...Pac 12 was taking OU, OSU, UT and TT, no room for KU there. B1G = NO, SEC=NO, ACC =NO....The BE was going to step in and offer KU, KSU and ISU but then their conference started to implode and the BIG12 flipped the script on them. I think the BIG 12 is going to be OK now and will add at least L'Ville and BYU plus there is a chance they add FSU and Clemson. But who really knows at this point...Fact is for WSU, their options are very limited and I hate to c that.

[WillieJeffJeffries]

By the way, nice slam newbie. That should endear you to long time ShockerNetters.

Oh ok Ill bow down to your 300+ sorry man....Regarding Moose, I dont how many post he has, but his post about WSU playing/bringing other sports to the table was stupid and not relevant....he deserved to called out a bit.

[WillieJeffJeffries]

So our course of action or non-action is?

1. We do nothing and flounder around in this worthless conference for the next 8,000 + years?

2. Our new Prez and AD and their multiple future successors actively pursue and take the lead in forming a new non-football playing conference?

3. We sit back and watch CU, MSU, and perhaps other MVC schools over the next 50 years or so pursue greener pastures, but good ol' ultra conservative WSU, Bradley, Drake, and Evansville remain true to the MVC and welcome Emporia State, Fort Hays, and Heights HS into the league?

4. We swallow the bullet and bring back football in the year 2525 (If man is still alive?) at the total cost of one trillion trillion $ plus change?

5. Do absolutely nothing so that our great, great, great, great grandchildren will have something else to ***** about besides KU and why they won't play us?

Funny:)

[jdmee]

The question for those of us that want a football program is "What makes football programs for the size of WSU profitable"? Football is king and without it we are adrift in a turbulent sea but are we better off being adrift than sitting on a sinking ship (unprofitable football program that has to carry the women's sports)?

Go Shocks!

Given that the most successful football team in the MVC football conference (UNI) runs in the red by $200,000 and takes around $1,000,000 in student fees and school $. It would take around $50 - $100 million endowment to ensure a profitable football program.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Well that's one women's sport that could generate some revenue..

I heard awhile back that the NCAA was looking at adding women's beach volleyball as a sanctioned sport. Never heard anything more about it. Too bad, I'd pay money for that.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

The only other possibility would be for the A10 to grap us and Creighton and go to two 8 team divisions. The West would be stronger than the East, but it would still be a pretty good conference and looks to be the best option if it were out there. Can you imagine a division of Creighton, SLU, Wichita, Dayton and Xavier all together? Those would be some fun games.

I could dig that. Surely Butler would want in on the fun.

[martymoose]

Oh ok Ill bow down to your 300+ sorry man....Regarding Moose, I dont how many post he has, but his post about WSU playing/bringing other sports to the table was stupid and not relevant....he deserved to called out a bit.

Yeah, and we need another thread about something that's already being discussed in 20 other threads. As for your original comment, it really made no sense. You're saying WSU is "Basketball only" school. WSU has a lot of other sports that we play well, hence the reason why we get win the All Sports trophy year after year. ...then you said your argument was sports that "generate real revenue". Make sure you do some research before you make a comment like that. If that's the criteria for whether or not a sport counts, football wouldn’t count at most schools.

[WillieJeffJeffries]

Yeah, and we need another thread about something that's already being discussed in 20 other threads. As for your original comment, it really made no sense. You're saying WSU is "Basketball only" school. WSU has a lot of other sports that we play well, hence the reason why we get win the All Sports trophy year after year. ...then you said your argument was sports that "generate real revenue". Make sure you do some research before you make a comment like that. If that's the criteria for whether or not a sport counts, football wouldn’t count at most schools.

True WSU has many sports....good point. But only one makes significant money. As far as ur post on football and revenues is concerned....then why is Nova is trying to get D1 status in football........because its a real money loser?.....lol. Of the 110+ D1 schools in CFB most if not all provide the majority of that schools athletic budget from football. Ill put it this way...how many of the lower level D1 football schools (UNLV, UTEP, Utah St ect) are looking to drop football.........crickets.

[SubGod22]

I think people forget that Football brings in other money as well. I don't know how it's all calculated, but there are more donations, more liscenced merchandise is sold and odds are enrollment would increase. That brings in a lot of money that isn't credited to football directly.

If football was the money loser that so many want to claim, there wouldn't be so many smaller schools starting it up and/or trying to move their programs up.

[shoxlax]

Great idea @pinstripers:! I'll buy season tickets. :good:

I didn't really have anything to say. I just wanted this picture to appear multiple times in this thread.

[KC Shox]

Does anyone have 25 million plus dollars to put into the stadium to get that eyesore back to shape? This has to happen before the very thought of football can come back. No? Then lets just drop the whole conference talk. The best scenario is for the MVC expand by bringing in programs like ORU, Butler, etc., who are good at basketball.

[pogo]

I think people forget that Football brings in other money as well. I don't know how it's all calculated, but there are more donations, more liscenced merchandise is sold and odds are enrollment would increase. That brings in a lot of money that isn't credited to football directly.

If football was the money loser that so many want to claim, there wouldn't be so many smaller schools starting it up and/or trying to move their programs up.

The biggest piece of that is the increased enrollment. Years ago "Fred" did an analysis of what the cost was of dropping football but at the same time had kind of a conspiracy theory about the BOR and others in an attempt to keep WSU in its place. The analysis was interesting in that enrollment was a huge piece of the way the state reimbursed the schools or tied money to enrollment. It wasn't so much the loss of tuition dollars but what seemed to be an exponential amount tied to enrollment. If "Fred" or someone remembers how this was please add it on. I think Freds full name was Fred Marrs? Calls in on some of the live shows.

[pogo]

Does anyone have 25 million plus dollars to put into the stadium to get that eyesore back to shape? This has to happen before the very thought of football can come back. No? Then lets just drop the whole conference talk. The best scenario is for the MVC expand by bringing in programs like ORU, Butler, etc., who are good at basketball.

I agree that unless monies are set aside for the whole enchilada it makes no sense to rob existing programs to fund something that would be a financial drain for years. I don't see adding teams that can't make the ncaa tournament as an at large bid on their own merit as adding alot to the mo valley. Sorry I just get antsy about adding more private schools unless it would be Duke or SMU that has a butt load of money. The last sentence has a big smiley face attached.