Shocker Kenpom Ranking

[wichshock65]

As of today, Shockers (4-2) are at 96, both losses being short handed. This puts us behind Northern Iowa (1-4) at 89, Cincinnati (2-5) at 76, Memphis (5-4) at 60, kentucky (1-5) at 48, etc, etc, etc.

How much does losing GGG drop us? For how long?

We're better than 96, right?

https://kenpom.com/

[FlyingWheat]

Our current rating is surely in large part due to the turnover on the team. Early on, the ratings rely on pre-season guesses and lessen over time.

Not sure how Ken is handling COVID short-handedness though. That’s got to be a tough thing to model.

I think right now we’re probably in the 70-80 range. Holding on to (perhaps longshot) hope that by the end of the season, we’ll be just high enough for a tourney bid.

[Aargh]

KenPom is not accurate at this stage of the season. With the late start and lost games, I wouldn't put any reliance on KenPom until maybe late next month.

[WstateU]

As of today, Shockers (4-2) are at 96, both losses being short handed. This puts us behind Northern Iowa (1-4) at 89, Cincinnati (2-5) at 76, Memphis (5-4) at 60, kentucky (1-5) at 48, etc, etc, etc.

How much does losing GGG drop us? For how long?

We're better than 96, right?

https://kenpom.com/

It seems a little low to me, but I’m guessing we’ll be knocking on the top 50 door come February. Also, can’t imagine losing a coach affects Kenpom.


Just found this...

“KenPom looks at the four factors of basketball — shooting (effective field goal percentage), rebounding (offensive and defensive rebounding rates), turnovers (turnover rate) and getting to the free throw line (free throw rate) — and generates how many points a team scores, and gives up, per 100 possessions.Nov 8, 2020”

[TheShocktocles]

When should we rely on Kenpom?

[Stickboy46]

When should we rely on Kenpom?

Normal year is mid January when he says that the last year's influence is gone

With the late start and fewer games, it could be a lot later this year

[Kel Varnsen]

We are 73 in Sagarin, 81 at Haslametrics, and 84 at Torvik, so I imagine that will bode well, but like others have correctly stated, we’ll likely see KenPom start to stabilize around late January or thereabouts. I think that’s a good sign, as KenPom has traditionally overvalued WSU (especially when we were in the Valley). His methodology is a little more simplistic than Sagarin and Haslametrics, and resembles Torvik’s ratings a little more.

If we end up as a Top 50ish team, I will be fairly happy.

[proshox]

ESPN's formula usually accounts for injuries, etc. They are not "buying" WSU yet - We are just above Tulane at 132. I went in thinking ESPN's BPI would be favorable. From a metrics point of view we are winning in an odd fashion - shooting poorly, not rebounding, but taking care of the ball and getting hot when it matters...

1	Houston	American	6-0	10	113	4	--
2	SMU	American	5-0	41	250	26	--
3	Memphis	American	5-4	59	187	174	--
4	Cincinnati	American	2-5	98	40	205	--
5	Tulsa	American	4-3	99	158	152	--
6	UCF	American	3-1	108	23	33	--
7	Temple	American	1-1	120	9	106	--
8	South Florida	American	5-3	121	154	127	--
9	East Carolina	American	7-1	129	242	58	--
10	Wichita State	American	4-2	132	137	92	--
11	Tulane	American	5-2	187	254	136	-

[WuDrWu]

4-2 and certainly one could argue should be 5-1. Of course, 1-5 is not far from reality either. Most wins do NOT come from poor shooting and rebounding teams

I don't particularly care for how we're playing so far, BUT I do really like the adjustments the team have been making, the fight and resiliency they've showed and the improvement they are making.

And as someone else said, learning these lessons while winning games beats the heck out of learning them while losing. I still think this team has a ceiling around a game or 2 above 500 in conference over 20 games, but show me a 5-1 start, and just be mildly competitive at Houston, and I'll be open minded towards something else.

[wichshock65]

Kentucky(1-6) , whos one win this season was November 25 against Morehead State, is still a top 50 program with kenpom at #50.

[TheShocktocles]

Kentucky(1-6) , whos one win this season was November 25 against Morehead State, is still a top 50 program with kenpom at #50.

That makes perfect sense. Kentucky is a blueblood school and It doesn't matter what their record is. They must be ranked high so that every team that beats them equals a signature win.

[Kel Varnsen]

That makes perfect sense. Kentucky is a blueblood school and It doesn't matter what their record is. They must be ranked high so that every team that beats them equals a signature win.

I don’t think you understand how KenPom or any other analytic ratings work.

[TheShocktocles]

That makes perfect sense. Kentucky is a blueblood school and It doesn't matter what their record is. They must be ranked high so that every team that beats them equals a signature win.

[TheShocktocles]

I don’t think you understand how KenPom or any other analytic ratings work.

LMAO

[Kung Wu]

Have we broken kenpom? We are 6-2 with a non-con SOS better than Cincinnasty's, who is 2-6 with exactly ZERO road wins -- and yet they are two spots ahead of us? I don't really pay much attention to kenpom, so someone please explain to me? Maybe it's just too early for it to make sense?

Edit: We also beat two of the teams AWAY that Cincinnasty lost to at HOME (USF, Tulsa).


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I don't understand.