Antoine Carr (1979-83) Shocker Sports Hall of Famer

[ShoxFan7]

On whether he took anything illegal to go to Wichita: “They didn’t do anything under the table with me. I think what happened was there was a three-year period where Kansas lost recruits to Wichita and they got upset and went to the NCAA. I met with representatives from the NCAA and they found nothing. Wichita offered me a chance to play ball and that is what I did.’’

Cliff you must hang around Shockernet more than I ever knew! So many years later and still likes to needle the “flagship” freaking awesome!

[wufan]

On whether he took anything illegal to go to Wichita: “They didn’t do anything under the table with me. I think what happened was there was a three-year period where Kansas lost recruits to Wichita and they got upset and went to the NCAA. I met with representatives from the NCAA and they found nothing. Wichita offered me a chance to play ball and that is what I did.’’

[wufan]

Late on the draw

[AZ Shocker]

I think what happened was there was a three-year period where Kansas lost recruits to Wichita and they got upset and went to the NCAA.

That right there sums it all up. Nothing else needs to be said. Knew it then...and still know it today. Thank you Cliff! Thank you.

[asiseeit]

good news

[wufan]

That right there sums it all up. Nothing else needs to be said. Knew it then...and still know it today. Thank you Cliff! Thank you.

But...did Gene Smithson pay for his underaged girlfriend to get an illegal abortion? That’s what SI said in 1982.

[AZ Shocker]

But...did Gene Smithson pay for his underaged girlfriend to get an illegal abortion? That’s what SI said in 1982.

I have no idea. None of my business. However...if it happened...it sure wasn't an enticement under the table thing to convince Cliff to sign to play at Wichita St. as Cliff was already on the roster since '79.

In my opinion...there's a whole lot of difference in "buying" a player out of high school than assisting them once on campus. Just like our boy FVV. We didn't buy him outta high school. Looking back...KU should have. Dolp! :)

[wufan]

I have no idea. None of my business. However...if it happened...it sure wasn't an enticement under the table thing to convince Cliff to sign to play at Wichita St. as Cliff was already on the roster since '79.

In my opinion...there's a whole lot of difference in "buying" a player out of high school than assisting them once on campus. Just like our boy FVV. We didn't buy him outta high school. Looking back...KU should have. Dolp! :)

I don’t think that actually happened (although I too have no idea). The story ran in SI, but it wasn’t in the NCAA findings.

[Wooglin]

For clarification, the original article stated it was a players girlfriend, not HCGS.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/01/06/Wichita-State-under-NCAA-investigation-for-a-series-of/1217379141200/

[ShockingButTrue]

But...did Gene Smithson pay for his underaged girlfriend to get an illegal abortion? That’s what SI said in 1982.

Think about it for second... If there was substantial evidence of Smithson doing such a thing do you, or anyone, think he would have been kept at the University long enough to recruit 2 first team high school AA's, along in the same class with one who wasn't (X), 2 years later? Or any University in the United States?

[N Crestway]

Version of events leading up to the SI article which I heard through the grapevine at the time...local doctor used to hang out with the team during Miller's tenure, Smithson asked the doctor to stay away from the team, then the now angry doctor ran to the KC Star with a lurid insider story about the dirty program at WSU, and once the Star got the story, the story had a life of its own.

[Dan]

Not sure if Cliff was HS AA, but Sherrod, Dreiling and Carr were

[Kung Wu]

For clarification, the original article stated it was a players girlfriend, not HCGS.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/01...1217379141200/

Wow, history almost went from "WSU official was accused of paying for a player's girlfriend's abortion" to ... "Gene Smithson paid for his underage girlfriend's abortion".

While we're at it, did they ever figure out if Lew Perkins was BTK?

[Kung Wu]

Tiller?

[im4wsu]

While we're at it, did they ever figure out if Lew Perkins was BTK?

Only to football programs