2019-20 National Rankings

[Jhook89]

Lots of talk about metrics being excuses for losers. Boy were we losers in 2016 then. It's fascinating.

Exactly. I find it a ridiculous that the same people that were yelling to look at the metrics when we were in the valley and our resume was essentially us beating up on terrible teams are now arguing the opposite because that argument doesn’t benefit the team any more.

[Stickboy46]

Ok, just to better understand all this, if KU loses tonight at OU, how many spots should Newell increase his ballot for KU based on known metrics?

Asking for a friend. I'll hang up and listen.

Hold on .. need to consult KenPom

[Stickboy46]

Lots of talk about metrics being excuses for losers. Boy were we losers in 2016 then. It's fascinating.

I don't think you understand what is being said.

Metrics are great for trying to understand which team is better than another IF THEY HAVEN"T PLAYED each other. Using metrics to justify a losing team as better than the winning team when the metrics are super close is using metrics as an excuse for losers.

In 2016, we weren't getting the opportunity to play the games. KU/Baylor happened this year. Baylor won, Baylor is the better team ... period.

[ShockingButTrue]

Ok, just to better understand all this, if KU loses tonight at OU, how many spots should Newell increase his ballot for KU based on known metrics?

Asking for a friend. I'll hang up and listen.

This is the most rational take of any so far... It fits the context. No?

[bleednblackngold]

Ok, just to better understand all this, if KU loses tonight at OU, how many spots should Newell increase his ballot for KU based on known metrics?

Asking for a friend. I'll hang up and listen.

Winner!

[ShockingButTrue]

Anybody remember that Chicken fan that we all knew, and still do, who recited "It's great for the state when WSU and k-state are good..."

[wichshock65]

Ok, just to better understand all this, if KU loses tonight at OU, how many spots should Newell increase his ballot for KU based on known metrics?

Asking for a friend. I'll hang up and listen.

[Shocker_Power]

We would be Vegas favorites over multiple teams that he put ahead of us ... so He's just trying to justify an incorrect position.

As all pollsters do!

[abdullah_sharif]

The metrics show Chicken fans are getting their feathers in a ruffle...

definitely an austin reaves fan tonight.

[Kel Varnsen]

Disagree. Coaching and strategies exist for some reason. Is it to win, or to improve metrics? I believe they are linked. I guarantee you Marshall wanted to do what would most help his ranking last week. He has talked about it for a couple of weeks.

I think coaches want to win by as much as possible. They do that by being efficient, and yes, improving metrics.

[Cdizzle]

Ok, it's official. Put me in the category that rates this up there with the dumbest threads in SN history.

But you've been around since 2005. I know this to be false. Any thread where we're arguing about where WSU is ranked is not a dumb thread, it's a great thread.

[ShockingButTrue]

The metrics show Chicken fans are getting their feathers in a ruffle...

[Cdizzle]

Times and score matter for coaching and strategies, but this has nothing to do with the discussion we are having about rankings.

Disagree. Coaching and strategies exist for some reason. Is it to win, or to improve metrics? I believe they are linked. I guarantee you Marshall wanted to do what would most help his ranking last week. He has talked about it for a couple of weeks.

[Kel Varnsen]

I thought particular times and score didn't matter? That would imply wins and losses mattered, or *GASP*, a singular head-to-head game meant something. Nah. That's silly. Shox should have been playing the metrics, which all say intentionally fouling an 80% FT shooter is roughly the worst thing you can do.

It would also mean you had to actually apply that logic to fouling. Like the fact that 10+ seconds is a lot of time to start a possession for intentional fouling, or having 3 players with 4 fouls on the court made it risky, or that UConn was getting a lot of offensive rebounds made it risky. Nah. Just blanket-rule, always foul when up 3 at the end of the game.

Times and score matter for coaching and strategies, but this has nothing to do with the discussion we are having about rankings.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Ok, it's official. Put me in the category that rates this up there with the dumbest threads in SN history.