McDuffie Appreciation Thread

[Kung Wu]

I'll take "elite players without a point guard setting them up", for $400 Alex.

[proshox]

Just one of many factors which he is overcoming.

[molly jabali]

I'll take "elite players without a point guard setting them up", for $400 Alex.

One of the best lines I've heard in a line...perfect!

[ShockCrazy]

While McDuffie has been solid for us, KenPom says only solid.

With a 26% Possession Usage, he is not Top 100 in players with least 20% Poss in Offensive Rating.

Markis McDuffie: 26.0% Poss, 111.2 ORtg, 5th in American for players with at least 24% Poss
Jarron Cumberland: 30.5% Poss, 113.4 ORtg, 2nd in American in that category

Not hating on McDuffie, just throwing out some analytics for discussion.

Context matters, Cumberland has 3 other players with higher O-rating. Markis leads the Shocks. The highest usage and best player typically should never ever lead in rating. It means either he isn't taking enough shots (he is, though I won't complain if he takes more) or the supporting cast is truly not even near his level. I cannot overstate how incredible the efficiency and volume Markis is putting up even though the other team knows he's pretty much the only player worth guarding outside the paint.

[lmor1971]

Not so sure.

Huge freshman season, better sophomore year (good at everything and really a plus defender), junior year he played out of position (when it comes to American Competition yet he beat SMU by himself), now he is putting up insane numbers with a surrounding group that isn’t ready for prime time. Furthermore, he is doing this against better competition than Fred, Ron, and Cleanthony ever saw in a regular season.

The list is clearly - Cotton, Vanvleet, Fred, Cleanthony... McDuffie has as strong a case for the fifth spot as anybody else.

This the level of competition as well as every team knowing he is their target puts his performance at another level. History will eventually tell the story. A lot of people on this board forget the talent of the competition compared to the MVC. Keep it going Markis!!!

[lmor1971]

#24 should finish right around FV

1,000-Point Club GP Years
2,164 Cleo Littleton 114 1951-55
2,152 Xavier McDaniel 117 1981-85
1,936 Dave Stallworth 80 1961-65
1,911 Antoine Carr 112 1979-83
1,907 Lynbert Johnson 110 1975-79
1,839 Jason Perez 117 1996-00
1,765 Aubrey Sherrod 117 1981-85
1,636 Ron Baker 124 2012-16
1,599 Randy Burns 124 2001-05
1,571 Jamar Howard 124 2001-05
1,545 Greg Carney 77 1967-70
1,539 Toure’ Murry 139 2008-12
1,471 Cliff Levingston 91 1979-82
1,463 Sasha Radunovich 120 1985-89
1,439 Fred VanVleet 141 2012-16
1,359 Jamie Thompson 77 1964-67
1,327 JT Durley 137 2007-11
1,322 Ron Harris 78 1969-72
1,317 Paul Miller 132 2001-06
1,303 PJ Couisnard 126 2004-08
1,301 Warren Armstrong 78 1965-68
1,295 Joe Stevens 78 1955-58
1,278 Gus Santos 111 1983-87
1263 Markis Mcduffie 114 2015-19
1,247 Paul Guffrovich 120 1987-91
1,221 Steve Grayer 120 1985-89
1,186 Robert Elmore 84 1973-77
1,184 Calvin Bruton 102 1972-76
1,172 Shaquille Morris 134 2014-18
1,169 Kelly Pete 83 1963-66
1,163 Vince Smith 77 1970-73
1,153 John Cooper 97 1987-91
1,139 Al Tate 78 1957-60
1,135 Cleanthony Early 75 2012-14
1,133 Kyle Wilson 98 2004-07
1,129 Terrell Benton 115 1998-02
1,122 Bob Hodgson 82 1953-56
1,119 Lanny Van Eman 80 1958-62
1,106 Garrett Stutz 138 2008-12
1,055 Ernie Moore 80 1960-64
1,047 Tekele Cotton 141 2011-15
1,046 Jamie Arnold 87 1993-97
1,028 Bob Trogele 110 1975-79
1,022 Ron Heller 78 1958-61
1,013 Ron Washington 69 1965-69
1,007 Maurice Evans 59 1997-99
1,003 Terry Benton 76 1969-72

[Kung Wu]

McD is playing at a completely different level than every single player on the floor against Tulane.

[proshox]

But isn’t he a terrible leader? LOL

[N Crestway]

Joerg needs to chime in on this thread.

[ShockerFever]

But isn’t he a terrible leader? LOL

You seem to have correlation issues.

[proshox]

None. You are stuck with an idea about how he should act and what his skill set should be. Try to actually evaluate what he is doing as a power forward. It is insane.

As far as leadership, he is a New Yorker calling it as he sees it. I appreciate it and his style will help all the young teammates over the long run. More so than a rah rah guy that never speaks the truth, but fans often think are great.

[lmor1971]

Also will finish career.

top 10 in 3 points made career
top 10 in 3 points single season

[C0|dB|00ded]

He's definitely starting to heat up. Nobody would have ever complained about his game if he simply just made every garbage shot he took. His teammates needed him desperately the first 1/3 of the year as they learned to play the game. Instead MM was concerned with getting himself an NBA contract. I don't blame him I guess... but he will NEVER be mentioned in the same sentence as Fred and Ron in my home.


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[Downtown Shocker Brown]

Where is he on draft boards?

6’8. Rangy. Can score in buckets. Serviceable defender. Why wouldn’t a team be lookingg at that guy?

I’ll help you: Intangibles.

I give him credit during the win streak, he has been a better feammate. And that has spread to others. But I fear it was too little to late.

I do predict he has a bright future in Europe.

[Kel Varnsen]

So, can we put to rest this “Markis isn’t a leader” BS? Dude has delivered and is “leading by example” if there ever was such a thing.

[B1ShockFan]

I feel Markis is a leader in scoring and we really need his points, BUT it would be nice to see him acknowledge his team-mates on their assists to a lot of his points, help his players up from the floor, show enthusiasm for their play and etc. He appears to be more interested in his performance and not the team performance. I would like to see him just add the team personality to his offerings and he than be the unquestionable team leader.

[Dan]

The high five monitoring and clapping for teammates are really getting old

[Shockm]

He did acknowledge his team mates in his interview to Mike last night. This is a big to do about nothing. Some are focused on finding someone and things to blame. He's a positive interview and I enjoy listening to him just as I enjoy Fred, Ron, and really all of the Shockers who are interviewed by Mike Kennedy.

[pie n eye]

I feel Markis is a leader in scoring and we really need his points, BUT it would be nice to see him acknowledge his team-mates on their assists to a lot of his points, help his players up from the floor, show enthusiasm for their play and etc. He appears to be more interested in his performance and not the team performance. I would like to see him just add the team personality to his offerings and he than be the unquestionable team leader.

I’ve been paying extra attention to this since it’s been floated around SN a few times and as I suspected and other posters before me have said, this “McDuffie doesn’t acknowledge or high five teammates” stuff is completely bogus. I’m sorry, not calling you a liar or anything, but it’s just not reality.