Making the case

[asiseeit]

I seem to be the only one out there making this case - need to play our bigger guards. First, ES, JB and
DD are much longer, more physical BETTER defenders than the current starters. No question. Secondly,
ES and DD combined are shooting 37% compared to 31% for the the little guys. Third, ES and DD represent
the future of the program. I am for starting ES at point and DD at the two guard with JB the first replacement.
ES would move to the two guard when JB subs. Would like to hear the opinions of others. Do I have a legit
case or am I off the rails ?

[moshock]

Well....you may be on to something - but you are on the wrong track - you should post this in the Men's Basketball forum.

[asiseeit]

I am an old tech chalanged guy. Will do it if someone can tell me how to move it to the correct area.

[im4wsu]

I am an old tech chalanged guy. Will do it if someone can tell me how to move it to the correct area.

The old tried and true method is "copy and paste"

[bighouse]

I seem to be the only one out there making this case - need to play our bigger guards. First, ES, JB and
DD are much longer, more physical BETTER defenders than the current starters. No question. Secondly,
ES and DD combined are shooting 37% compared to 31% for the the little guys. Third, ES and DD represent
the future of the program. I am for starting ES at point and DD at the two guard with JB the first replacement.
ES would move to the two guard when JB subs. Would like to hear the opinions of others. Do I have a legit
case or am I off the rails ?

I don't think ES is a point guard, and the ball moves best when RT is running the show.

[choida]

How about limit SHJ when he ain't on

[insaneykaney]

How about limit SHJ when he ain't on

I kinda feel SJH would be a great 6th Man option.

[AndShock]

You’re more generous than I am.

[Dan]

I suggested that a few games ago and was ridiculed.

[ShockerFever]

I suggested it from game 1 and wufan and shockm about ran me over. Strangely, those two have gone silent on the subject since Saturday's fine performance.

[Kashman]

Burton Dennis and Stevenson should the starting guards and be getting the bulk of the minutes. SHJ had a good 15 minute stretch against Baylor, but has been taking minutes away from these three. His effort on the defensive end and going after 50/50 balls is non-existent.

[C0|dB|00ded]

I seem to be the only one out there making this case - need to play our bigger guards. First, ES, JB and
DD are much longer, more physical BETTER defenders than the current starters. No question. Secondly,
ES and DD combined are shooting 37% compared to 31% for the the little guys. Third, ES and DD represent
the future of the program. I am for starting ES at point and DD at the two guard with JB the first replacement.
ES would move to the two guard when JB subs. Would like to hear the opinions of others. Do I have a legit
case or am I off the rails ?

asiseeit, I think you have Todd Butler Disease.

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I'm in 100% agreement. Torres moves the ball well but he's missing something you just can't teach.

P.S. I am convinced that Frankamp's failure to transfer his HS promise to D1 was his lack of size/length. Stopping and popping in HS is a lot different than doing it against a 6'5 defender with a 6'10 wingspan.


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[DCShockerFan05]

Am I the only one who doesn't think Stevenson is a strong defender yet? Yes, he's got active hands which have gotten him some steals and deflections, and I imagine that's what a lot of folks are impressed by. He's also one of only a few who seem to be eager to dive for a loose ball (cf. Jamie literally walking toward one in the Oklahoma game). But those aren't the only parts of defense. I see Erik out of position a fair bit, getting beat down the court by his man, and playing matador defense and swiping at driving guards rather than staying in front or getting in front of them. He's a gifted shooter, and the positive defensive aspects I cited are real assets. I'm sure he'll get better at the other aspects. But he needs to. I still want to see him on the court, and I probably agree with those who say he should play more. That's not inconsistent with acknowledging an important weakness in his game right now.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Stevenson is one of the few new players showing the old Play Angry attitude/mentality/effort. No, he is not fully attuned to the ways of the Gregg Marshall system, but he shows great promise in following the footsteps of the Shocker Greats immediately prior. Now all we need is 2-3 more guys that will play with the same effort and purpose of ES and we're good to go! We will have received a 4 year extension on the Shocker Golden Era.


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[Dan]

He’s way better at defense than I was expecting. He has a strong body, decent size and good instincts/nose for the ball. I think he’ll be just fine.

[C0|dB|00ded]

He's got good long arms, quick feet, and a real nasty attitude. That's pretty much made to order as far as Marshall is concerned.

If he were about 2 inches taller he'd be made to order for CB too.


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[Shox The Revenant]

This is not a NCAA/NIT tournament team. Since we're not dancing, we might as well throw in our best freshman and have them start the entire year so they gain a year's worth of valuable experience. This way, they'll be ahead of the learning curve for their sophomore season which appears to be more promising than this year's team. If you limit their minutes this year, they'll be less ready to take on more prominent roles and playing time next season.

[asiseeit]

Since it is my thread I'll probably jump in more than normal to defend my case. Like Baker, I think that
ES makes a better two guard, however, I feel THIS YEAR the team lacks a decent point guard and he
is our best option given what we have. I love quick and fast regardless of size but you HAVE to use that
quickness as a strength to collapse defenses and dish or attack the basket. SHJ does not seem to know
how to use his strength other than to create shooting space for himself. His other strength was suppose to
be shooting as a two guard. That has been bad, as well, and he is a liability on D. All the same can be
said about RT. Their offense doesn't even come close to making up for their defensive inabilities / size.
It's too late to build around Jones as he will be gone next year. I could be wrong but I will be shocked if
RT is our starting PG next season or even averages north of ten minutes a game. For the interim, I
would , at least, give ES a chance to run the team with JB backing him up. I also want DD to come out of
his shell offensively both shooting and attacking the basket.

[MelvinLoudermilk]

This is not a NCAA/NIT tournament team. Since we're not dancing, we might as well throw in our best freshman and have them start the entire year so they gain a year's worth of valuable experience. This way, they'll be ahead of the learning curve for their sophomore season which appears to be more promising than this year's team. If you limit their minutes this year, they'll be less ready to take on more prominent roles and playing time next season.

Good post!
i'm not ready to write off the NIT yet but I agree with the sentiment completely. if the season becomes a wash (hope it doesn't) I'm all for giving the new/young guys expanded rolls.

Being 4-4 (could easily be 6-2)...I'm not quite ready to write off the season yet.

[Shock Top]

This is not a NCAA/NIT tournament team. Since we're not dancing, we might as well throw in our best freshman and have them start the entire year so they gain a year's worth of valuable experience. This way, they'll be ahead of the learning curve for their sophomore season which appears to be more promising than this year's team. If you limit their minutes this year, they'll be less ready to take on more prominent roles and playing time next season.

After these first handful of games, I am on the same page. I was already thinking about over the Summer, but I am certain, after what I have season to start the season, that this what I would do if I called the shots.

Start 4 Fr. and MM.

PG - JB
SG - ES
SF - DD
PF- MM
C - MU

Bench: SHJ, RT, JE, IBC

Deep Bench: RB, CM, AM

Might as well pull the Band-Aid completely off now, versus slowly pulling it off throughout the season.

[Dan]

I’m fine with this. JE or MU at center.

[Mr. Obvious]

This is not a NCAA/NIT tournament team. Since we're not dancing, we might as well throw in our best freshman and have them start the entire year so they gain a year's worth of valuable experience. This way, they'll be ahead of the learning curve for their sophomore season which appears to be more promising than this year's team. If you limit their minutes this year, they'll be less ready to take on more prominent roles and playing time next season.

I think Gregg is still hopeful, but if things go sideways, the Seniors minutes (currently about 50% of the scoring) will decrease.