Wichita State vs Oklahoma Game Thread

[ShockerFever]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...meId=401083542

5 assists..............15 turnovers........

The turnovers are bad but the 5 assists is what sticks out. By far the worst sharing team in Marshall history. There is no offense run at all. There is no attempt to feed the inside. It's just a bunch of dribbling on the perimeter with an eventual hurried shot. Or it's a brick fired up with 25 seconds left on the shot clock. That is also an issue. Our percentages could be so bad because we are taking the absolute worst shots possible. Lots of guys force a lot and are not given the ball when needed to. We have no facilitator and penetration and pass out guy. Just a JUCO senior whose only goal is to score. McDuffie used to be a great assist guy too but it looks like he's given up on that concept for the year too.

My main question though is, this is what Marshall and the coaches are teaching them. Because it's a reoccurring pattern. Bad shot after bad shot is fired up by SHJ and he doesn't get pulled for the bench. Why? Because that's what Gregg wants him to do or is it just a lost cause and he has no one else to sub in for him? ANYBODY would be better than SHJ is on the floor.

Our offense is just an abomination. The assist numbers this year are horrendous. Do we not have talented assist-makers? Or are we really trying to play without an offense?

[1979Shocker]

There's always going to be low assist totals when the player receiving the pass can't make the shot.

[Blackmag]

Didn’t say Memphis wasn’t without issues, haven’t seen them play this year. But I do know what our problems are and they start at the point guard. Not saying Lomax would solve our issues, but he was a highly sought after point guard who is only a freshman, not a senior

[Stickboy46]

We have freshman point guards on this team that are showing the exact same skills as Lomax. Lomax wouldn't have solved any of our problems. We don't lose Lomax, we don't get Teddy. We will end up on the positive end of that trade even if it's not this year.

[WUs Your Daddy]

Having Lomax wouldn’t have made a difference this year.

[ShockerFever]

A non con game makes you miss the MVC?

He's a KU troll that hasn't been banned for some reason.

[ShockTalk]

Didn’t say Memphis wasn’t without issues, haven’t seen them play this year. But I do know what our problems are and they start at the point guard. Not saying Lomax would solve our issues, but he was a highly sought after point guard who is only a freshman, not a senior

Just a reminder: SHJ is NOT a PG. Not at Hutch and not here. When he's playing it, it's out of necessity.

[pinstripers]

Not sure anybody needs to be reminded of that

[ShockerFever]

Just a reminder: SHJ is NOT a PG. Not at Hutch and not here. When he's playing it, it's out of necessity.

I just don't buy it anymore. If it's not his natural position, then put in ES in there. He's not a 1 either but he plays way smarter, isn't hunting his shot, and does more winning plays than losing plays with the ball in his hand.

I'm tired of the "SHJ has to play" excuse. Complete liability... on BOTH ends of the floor.

[ShockTalk]

Never said I liked it. He's does need to play smarter or let the freshmen have his minutes to grow.

[AZ Shocker]

That had to be the worst Shocker game I've watched since the 19freakin90's. Man ole man. This team can't be that bad can they???
48 points? 24% shooting??? Good Gawd Almighty.

I suppose none of the new guys have ever played in an NBA size arena so perhaps that's why the shooting was just ridiculously bad. Maybe the early start had something to do with it. Maybe our old boy Austin shared with his teammates all our offensive sets. Or heck...maybe we just bad. 48 points?????

[Stickboy46]

It's really hard to get assists when no one can make shots and the rest of the time they fumble the pass for a turnover.

Torres needs to find his shot. That's the biggest key to getting SHJ off the floor. The rest of Torres game is rapidly improving

[pinstripers]

Is it worse getting outscored by 30, or getting outrebounded by 20?

[WuDrWu]

By FAR, the latter.

[ShockTalk]

Get outrebounded by 20 and you probably lose by 30.

Yes, I know it's over-rated KSt, but they managed a 7 assists to 16 TOs today.

[1979Shocker]

Getting outrebounded by 20 is a direct result of missing 3 out every 4 shots.

[proshox]

We looked worst on offense than UCoNN did when they played in Koch. UCONN’s level was just so painful to watch and I was cheering against them. Today was hard to imagine bad.

From the stories i heard, Austin has every right to enjoy that one. It didn’t stop me from feeling like a scorned ex-girflfriend!

[N Crestway]

So you're saying that there was something personal that led to his leaving WSU....

[WuDrWu]

For 3 seasons there was a realistic goal to compete for a National Championship. That's not an easy thing to do, anywhere, to say nothing of 2 years in the Valley. We sold out a shade with basically 2 seasons of the same roster. We came up short, but damn it, I'm glad we tried.

Now we have to reset. We had to fill the roster, and some won't make it and we'll add more next year. 2019-20 we'll be back. Nobody did anything terribly wrong, and things aren't being done differently, it's just a reset.....that's all.

If you want to jump of the boat, don't expect a hand up from this guy when things start going well again.

[Singeril]

For 3 seasons there was a realistic goal to compete for a National Championship. That's not an easy thing to do, anywhere, to say nothing of 2 years in the Valley. We sold out a shade with basically 2 seasons of the same roster. We came up short, but damn it, I'm glad we tried.

Now we have to reset. We had to fill the roster, and some won't make it and we'll add more next year. 2019-20 we'll be back. Nobody did anything terribly wrong, and things aren't being done differently, it's just a reset.....that's all.

If you want to jump of the boat, don't expect a hand up from this guy when things start going well again.

NOBODY has said they are "jumping off the boat"...or implied anything of the sort. No hand necessary.

[WuDrWu]

"NOBODY"? Perhaps a re-perusal of this and other threads today might suggest a slightly different conclusion. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, won't be the first or last time.

[Shock Top]

NM

[WUs Your Daddy]

I just don't buy it anymore. If it's not his natural position, then put in ES in there. He's not a 1 either but he plays way smarter, isn't hunting his shot, and does more winning plays than losing plays with the ball in his hand.

I'm tired of the "SHJ has to play" excuse. Complete liability... on BOTH ends of the floor.

Exactly, ES isn’t a point guard either but he has a much higher basketball IQ and plays a team game. I continually see Marshall yank ES and leave in SHJ and it just makes no sense. ES is the best player on our team right now and, yes, that includes McDuffie.

[WUs Your Daddy]

For 3 seasons there was a realistic goal to compete for a National Championship. That's not an easy thing to do, anywhere, to say nothing of 2 years in the Valley. We sold out a shade with basically 2 seasons of the same roster. We came up short, but damn it, I'm glad we tried.

Now we have to reset. We had to fill the roster, and some won't make it and we'll add more next year. 2019-20 we'll be back. Nobody did anything terribly wrong, and things aren't being done differently, it's just a reset.....that's all.

If you want to jump of the boat, don't expect a hand up from this guy when things start going well again.

Unfortunately, our place in the upper tier of college basketball wasn’t on real solid ground (we aren’t a blue blood) and putting us in the position to need a “reset” year is extremely risky and setting us up to have another one in four years is just plain scary. It’s a slippery slope in college athletics and a program like ours has a very small margin of error.

[N Crestway]

Said it better than I could.