New Schools Named in FBI Investigation

[atlwsu]

Why one shoe company and one school. Was it a matter that this one scenario was the lowest hanging fruit with heights odds of success and other guilty shoe companies and universities were able to avoid the public display of the equally agregious abuses?

[ShockerPrez]

This is no different than a booster paying a player. Boosters give money to the program. Shoe companies give money to the program.

At this point, it all comes down to whether the school knew about it. If that cant be 'proven' then KU will not be punished.

At the very minimum, players involved should be ruled ineligible and the NCAA moves on with a stern 'warning' to all.....

"Guys, be more discreet. Hold your meetings in cars in parking garages. Are we clear? Ok, good. Now knock it off, let's go tell the country how clean we are and that money is bad. BAD!"

[Dan]

It’s really not all that different than Pitino’s situation. Funny how differently the schools reacted.

[Aargh]

It’s really not all that different than Pitino’s situation. Funny how differently the schools reacted.

Not really. To actually understand how things work at KU, all it takes is the fact that Self was "consulted" when the new AD was hired.

That's the same as if your boss at work retired, and your boss's boss gave you "approve/disapprove" decision-making in hiring your next boss. That's also why KU will NEVER have a football program. When the basketball coach is actually higher than the AD in the power structure at the university, that university will never get a football coach with any recognizable amount of self-respect.

Another way to run a program and be "clean": Instead of a $100,000 payment up front, just give their father $80,000 a year plus "expenses". I wonder how long the Lawson's dad's contract runs for. By the time they hired Daddy, KU probably already knew the deal with Adidas was blowing up. You gotta have a Plan B ready to go into action.

[WuShock16]

Last paragraph...is that kinda like Ronnie Chalmers being at KU for three years, leaving precisely at the time when Mario went to the NBA?

[im4wsu]

This is no different than a booster paying a player. Boosters give money to the program. Shoe companies give money to the program.

At this point, it all comes down to whether the school knew about it. If that cant be 'proven' then KU will not be punished.

At the very minimum, players involved should be ruled ineligible and the NCAA moves on with a stern 'warning' to all.....

"Guys, be more discreet. Hold your meetings in cars in parking garages. Are we clear? Ok, good. Now knock it off, let's go tell the country how clean we are and that money is bad. BAD!"

Agree. How is the shoe company not a "booster" according to the NCAA rules? The show company is clearly a sponsor of the athletic programs. That is no different than the carpet cleaning or Mohs surgery groups. They are boosters. If a booster gives money to an athlete, directly or indirectly, it is an NCAA violation and the school/coach knew or should have known about it, otherwise it is lack of instuitutional control.

[Stickboy46]

Agree. How is the shoe company not a "booster" according to the NCAA rules? The show company is clearly a sponsor of the athletic programs. That is no different than the carpet cleaning or Mohs surgery groups. They are boosters. If a booster gives money to an athlete, directly or indirectly, it is an NCAA violation and the school/coach knew or should have known about it, otherwise it is lack of instuitutional control.

Not just money. If a booster is contacting a recruit directly for any reason promoting the school, it's a violation. When it's directed by the staff.. it's a larger violation (there is absolutely proof of this).

[AZ Shocker]

How many Big-12 championships will have to now be disqualified. And how much money will the school have to pay back? How many scholarships will be taken away? For how many years will ku not be allowed to play on TV? And...when exactly will Bill be fired? Tomorrow??? Lol!!!!!

[1972Shocker]

How many Big-12 championships will have to now be disqualified. And how much money will the school have to pay back? How many scholarships will be taken away? For how many years will ku not be allowed to play on TV? And...when exactly will Bill be fired? Tomorrow??? Lol!!!!!

0,0,0,0, Never

[RoyalShock]

Coaches should never have any contact with any company representative unless the coach and company are contractually linked outside of the coach's official capacity as a athletic department employee. That is, Marshall should have no contact with Under Armor (the AD's office can handle that) reps, but can with All Angles (I think that's the right one), as he does commercials for them.

[WSUwatcher]

At first glance, Royal, that sounds like a very reasonable suggestion and anti-corruption proposal -- which is exactly why the NCAA would almost certainly never consider it.

[ShockingButTrue]

I can't lend any credibility to an institution (NCAA) that offers free rides to the families of participants in the National Semis. Like that won't entice families to steer their kids to programs with a higher final 4 probability, i.e. the bluebloods.

[Aargh]

It would seem fairly easy to make a case that the NCAA is involved in "fixing" college basketball. If anyone were ever to challenge the NCAA on that subject, the P5 schools would use the opportunity to immediately pull out of that corrupt organization. Then they would show the rest of college athletics how corruption is really done.

There's litle doubt the NCAA favors their money makers to the detriment of about 320 or 330 other colleges. Unfortunately, that's probably the best deal those 320 or 330 can ever hope to have.

It's a bit ironic that only college sports ("amateur" athletes) don't have salary caps, but all the pros do.

[shockrah]

Sports Illustrated makes the case to suspend Self:
https://www.si.com/college-basketbal...ilvio-de-sousa

[AZ Shocker]

OMG - that author just signed his walking papers. How un-liberal was that piece of journalism??? Poor guy said the truth. Will cost him. But good for him!!!

[Stickboy46]

This is the best and most important quote in that article.

The biggest booster of Kansas athletics is Adidas. Adidas invests millions in the program, Adidas has direct access to the basketball coach and Adidas is the one that paid the players that Kansas coaches told Adidas it wanted. If that’s not a blatant recruiting violation, then there are no blatant recruiting violations. The NCAA might as well fire its enforcement staff.

Even if there is no proof on Self directing a payment. He directed a booster to recruit people for him. That is there in text messages coming from Self. That is a major recruiting violation.