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    • 34 players in the pros; wow!

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      • I love 3G , but that first "fact" has about as much truth in it as Congress

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        • "2018-19 American Preview: This is the year of the AAC rebuild" - NBC Sports

          By Travis Hines
          Oct 4, 2018, 10:06 AM EDT



          "Beginning in September and running up until November 6th, the first day of the season, College Basketball Talk will be unveiling the 2018-2019 NBCSports.com college hoops preview package.

          Today, we are previewing the American Athletic Conference....

          PREDICTED FINISH
          1. UCF: Winning the league will require quite a few things to go right for Johnny Dawkins’ team, but the Knights have the talent to do it, especially with the conference’s traditional powers not looking as powerful. It’ll largely come down to health. Can B.J. Taylor, Aubrey Dawkins and Tacko Fall all stay healthy all year long? If they share the floor all winter long, it’s not hard to see UCF atop the standings.

          2. CINCINNATI: Despite heavy losses from last year’s 31-win team, Cincinnati should be strong enough once again to compete for a conference title. Jarron Cumberland will fill the offensive void, but it’s hard to envision a world where Mick Cronin’s team doesn’t defend well enough to win a ton of games in the AAC.

          3. HOUSTON: Kelvin Sampson probably hasn’t been given the credit he deserves for the turnaround he’s engineered at Houston thanks in no small part to his scandal-forced exit at Indiana that kept him out of a head coaching chair for six years. The Cougars have developed into an AAC power, however, and look to stay there with an athletic department flush with cash in a new arena in one of the country’s booming cities. Houston is back on the basketball map, and even significant losses from last year won’t keep them off it.

          4. SMU: The Mustangs are still under the purview of scholarship reductions from the Larry Brown era, but with a healthy Jarrey Foster and Mahmal McMurray, they should be competitive after injuries contributed to a second-half slide last season. Shake Milton is gone to the NBA and there are questions regarding the roster, but the Foster-McMurray one-two punch could be enough to elevate the Mustangs.

          5. WICHITA STATE: This is a bet on the continuity of excellence. The Shockers will have to regroup after losing all five starters, including first-round pick Landry Shamet, but Gregg Marshall has been good enough long enough to warrant faith in a quick reload. Markis McDuffie is a talented piece to build around, especially if you give him the benefit of the doubt that last year’s struggles were the result of injury and not regression. All Marshall has done in Wichita has win, so it’s hard to believe we’ll see anything different this season, even if the faces on the floor are changed.

          6. UCONN: While UConn engages in an ugly battle off the court with former coach Kevin Ollie, the Huskies should be in line to play, if not beautiful, at least passing ball under first-year coach Dan Hurley. Jalen Adams could be the best player in the league, and Christian Vital is a proven commodity. If Alterique Gilbert is healthy and productive and Mamadou Diarra can return from injury, the Huskies could be frisky in the AAC race.

          7. TEMPLE: Fran Dunphy’s swan song to Big 5 basketball isn’t likely going to be a sweet one. The Owls have struggled to find footing in the AAC as they’ve made the NCAA tournament just once in their five seasons in the league after six-straight appearances to end their stint in the Atlantic 10. There’s talent on the roster, especially in Quinton Rose and Shizz Alston, but it may not be enough for an upper-half finish in the conference.

          8. MEMPHIS: The Tigers are the most talked about team in the league thanks to Penny Hardaway’s homecoming, but this season could be a struggle. Jeremiah Martin is one of the league’s best players and Kyvon Davenport is a proven contributor, but the rest of the roster is less impressive. Hardaway has already brought in a strong first recruiting class, but it’s not a group that will be able to be counted on to help win a lot of games right off the jump. Expectations are up and hope has returned to Memphis, but a Hardaway’s work is far from over.

          9. TULSA: This is probably too low for the Golden Hurricane. Not because they’re wildly talented, but because Frank Haith consistently has gotten his teams to beat expectations in Tulsa. Sterling Taplin is as experienced as they get and is a potential all-conference guard while Martins Igbanu is also a solid contributor. If the Golden Hurricane can rebound and get to the line like they did last year, they could replicate that level of success in the standings.

          10. TULANE: Mike Dunleavy’s hiring in New Orleans felt like a strange in 2016, but he’s took the Green Wave to six wins his first year to 14 last season while turning Melvin Frazier into an NBA draft pick. It’s hard, though, to see Tulane sustain that growth this season with Frazier with the Orlando Magic and Cameron Reynolds graduated. Dunleavy has shown he can get the Green Wave moving in the right direction, but it might not be a straight-line trajectory.

          11. EAST CAROLINA: Joe Dooley is back in Greenville, y’all. Nearly 20 years after his first stint with the Pirates, Dooley returns to take the helm of the program he led from 1995-99 after winning big in Dunk City the last five years. He took Florida Gulf Coast over from Andy Enfield and won five-straight conference titles and got to two NCAA tournaments. Dooley will have his work cut out for him at his new job in his old home as the Pirates haven’t had a winning season since 2013.

          12. SOUTH FLORIDA: A return to a head coaching spot wasn’t a rampant success for Brian Gregory as his Bulls went just 10-22 overall and 3-15 in AAC play last season. There isn’t a lot of hope that the turnaround will begin in earnest this season with just five upperclassmen on the roster."

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          • Here is an interesting stat ... last time each team made the tourney. The UCF baskeball team has an the 3rd worst streak going in the AAC.

            1993 East Carolina (you have to go back to 1972 to find their only other appearance)
            1995 Tulane

            2005 UCF

            2012 South Florida

            2014 Memphis

            2016 Connecticut
            2016 Temple
            2016 Tulsa

            2017 SMU

            2018 Cincinnati
            2018 Houston
            2018 Wichita State





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            • For some reason editing created this post

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              • Originally posted by Shockadaisical View Post
                I love 3G , but that first "fact" has about as much truth in it as Congress
                I suggest you inform yourself on all the Shockers playing professional basketball. There are already 21 players from the Marshall era not including transfers under contract next year alone. Cle isn't under contract but he'll almost certainly be playing somewhere. There are others aren't listed for 2019 who are certain to play next year, Durley, Hall, and Mekel. Then you have transfers who will be playing professional ball as well Ri'an, Mannigault, and likely Henderson.

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                • Shockadaisical
                  Shockadaisical commented
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                  Ease up gentlemen, I incorrectly thought this was NBA numbers. Makes more sense when talking about all pro leagues.

              • Originally posted by ShockCrazy View Post

                I suggest you inform yourself on all the Shockers playing professional basketball. There are already 21 players from the Marshall era not including transfers under contract next year alone. Cle isn't under contract but he'll almost certainly be playing somewhere. There are others aren't listed for 2019 who are certain to play next year, Durley, Hall, and Mekel. Then you have transfers who will be playing professional ball as well Ri'an, Mannigault, and likely Henderson.

                https://basketball.usbasket.com/team...ity/163?Page=4
                From that list, for years 2018 ans 2019, 32 listed:
                Player Ht/Wt Pos Age Season Team Graduated
                1 Gal Mekel 6'3'' (190) PG 30 2018 Gran Canaria Spain 2008
                2 Jonathan Durley 6'8'' (203) F/C 30 2018 San Isidro Argentina 2011
                3 Carl Hall 6'8'' (202) F 29 2018 Mazatlan Mexico 2013
                4 Cleanthony Early 6'8'' (203) F 27 2018 Rio Grande VV (NBA) 2014
                5 James Anacreon 6'7'' (201) F 28 2018 Queens Struggle (The) 2013
                6 Chadrack Lufile 6'9'' (206) F 28 2018 Puerto Montt Chile 2014
                7 Shaquille Morris 6'8'' (203) C 24 2018 Bnei Hertzeliya Israel 2018
                8 Tevin Glass 6'9'' (206) F 24 2018 ATL All-Stars (The) 2017
                9 Ria'N Holland 6'0'' (183) PG 23 2018 Sacramento (ESL) 2018
                10 Corey Henderson 6'4'' (193) G 23 2018 Ft.Wayne Champs (The) 2018
                11 Landry Shamet 6'4'' (193) G 21 2018 Philadelphia 76ers 2018
                12 Mantas Griskenas 6'7'' (200) F 33 2019 Wetterbygden Sweden 2009
                13 Aaron Ellis 6'9'' (205) F/C 31 2019 Kaiserslautern Germany 2011
                14 Ramon Clemente 6'7'' (200) PF 32 2019 Lenadores Mexico 2009
                15 Malcolm Armstead 6'1'' (185) PG 29 2019 Buyukcekmece Turkey 2013
                16 Clevin Hannah 5'11'' (179) PG 30 2019 Gran Canaria Spain 2010
                17 Toure Murry 6'5'' (196) G 28 2019 UCC Piacenza Italy 2012
                18 Garrett Stutz 7'0'' (214) C 28 2019 Toyotsu FE Japan 2012
                19 Kadeem Coleby 6'9'' (206) C/F 28 2019 Akita NH Japan 2014
                20 Kenny Manigault 6'5'' (196) G/F 27 2019 Pyrinto Finland 2015
                21 Joe Ragland 6'0'' (182) PG 28 2019 Crvena Zvezda Serbia 2012
                22 Conner Frankamp 6'1'' (185) PG 23 2019 Beroe Bulgaria 2018
                23 Rauno Nurger 6'10'' (208) C 24 2019 Huesca Spain 2018
                24 Anton Grady 6'8'' (203) F 26 2019 Caceres Spain 2016
                25 Ron Baker 6'4'' (193) G 25 2019 New York K. (NBA) 2016
                26 Tekele Cotton 6'3'' (189) G 25 2019 Fiat TO Italy 2015
                27 Darius Carter 6'7'' (201) PF 25 2019 Goettingen Germany 2015
                28 Fred VanVleet 6'0'' (183) PG 24 2019 Toronto R. (NBA) 2016
                29 Rashard Kelly 6'7'' (201) F 23 2019 Parma Russia 2018
                30 Zach Brown 6'6'' (198) F 23 2019 Lorient France 2018
                31 Bush Wamukota 6'11'' (211) C 25 2019 MAS Fes Morocco 2016
                32 Darral Willis 6'9'' (206) F 22 2019 Keravnos Cyprus 2018
                "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
                ---------------------------------------
                Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
                "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

                A physician called into a radio show and said:
                "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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              • When someone says “pro basketball”, raise your hand if the first and literally only thing that comes to mind is the NBA?

                Guys can make great coin in Europe, but the percentage of the US population who include that under the heading of “pro basketball” in popular culture is tiny.

                Can all but guarantee if you use this approach to potential top recruits and then give them a definition of what you specifically mean later you will lose ground in their recruitment process. Sounds like an angle that would be used if you hired a used car salesman to sell your program.

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                • SHOCKvalue
                  SHOCKvalue commented
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                  Yes, because I totally said we should ignore the WSU alums playing in Europe.

                  Semantics matter, re: “in the pros”.

                • 1972Shocker
                  1972Shocker commented
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                  When they said it was 34 guys playing pro ball the 1st thing that came to my mind was this obviously was not limited to NBA basketball.

                • WSUwatcher
                  WSUwatcher commented
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                  Agree with 1972; if they had meant to say "NBA," they'd have said "NBA."

                  The five-stars assume they're going to be in the NBA, and some do end up there (although many don't). But the Shocks ususally aren't recruiting those guys anyway. And in any case, the Shockers clearly do highlight their NBA guys like FVV, Baker, and Shamet in their actual recruiting pitches, as evidenced by what we've read about Noah Fernandes and Tyson Etienne.

              • Originally posted by SHOCKvalue View Post
                When someone says “pro basketball”, raise your hand if the first and literally only thing that comes to mind is the NBA?

                Guys can make great coin in Europe, but the percentage of the US population who include that under the heading of “pro basketball” in popular culture is tiny.

                Can all but guarantee if you use this approach to potential top recruits and then give them a definition of what you specifically mean later you will lose ground in their recruitment process. Sounds like an angle that would be used if you hired a used car salesman to sell your program.
                shocker43 Perhaps a lot of recruits know this, but I'm betting most believe they COULD be. I agree with SHOCKvalue that if you presented an option of European play as a selling point to a HS recruit you'd probably drop to the bottom of the list, behind all those who blow smoke up their skirts by telling them they're the next superstar. Now, AFTER they've shown what they're really all about, it might be clearer to them, but that's after the recruiting fact. i.e., Shamet vs Shaq. Both had NBA potential going into college; only one showed the mettle to make it. Shaq will make money in European ball but I don't think you could've recruited him on the premise of, "You'll never make the NBA but how does Greece sound?"

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              • Does anyone know if YurView KS is either on the internet or picked up by ESPN3?

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                • Originally posted by atlwsu View Post
                  Does anyone know if YurView KS is either on the internet or picked up by ESPN3?
                  Should be available on ESPN3 for those outside KS. Guessing by your user name, that would seem to include you.
                  78-65

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                  • 1979Shocker
                    1979Shocker commented
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                    Unless it has changed, I think it is only available live on ESPN3 for those states that don't have a school from that conference. That means 10 states would be blacked out.

                • I recently watched a Yurview volleyball match, live on my computer, without Cox, directly on their website. If that includes the few basketball games not covered by national tv, that is a huge plus now for those that aren't lassoed into a Cox/WSU money grab. I was quite shocked when I was able to do it.
                  Deuces Valley.
                  ... No really, deuces.
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                  • Quotables: Media Day (At Koch Arena)

                    https://goshockers.com/news/2018/10/...media-day.aspx

                    Some good stuff here. Some positive, some cautionary.
                    Last edited by 1972Shocker; October 16, 2018, 04:59 PM.

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                  • First-year assistants motivated to help Gregg Marshall lead in new era at WSU

                    BY TAYLOR ELDRIDGE



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