Discuss Solutions For Players taking Illegal Incentives

[ShockerPrez]

A few thoughts, not a total solution: NCAA should pay some of their revenues the the athletes. Eliminate the notion of amatuerism, it means nothing. These athletes are hired guns for promotional purposes by the University, treat them as such.

The NCAA has lost all credibility at this point. College athletics is being shown to be what it has been perceived to be for decades. At least as far as Men's basketball, and probably football. It's an entertainment industry.

[another shocker]

probably football? lol

[ShockerPrez]

Yeah. :) I should have said at least mens basketball and football.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

From the perspective of pure principle, I understand why the NCAA would want to protect amateurism (I'm not saying that's actually why the rules are the way they are--I think a lot of it has to do with the NCAA being greedy).

Players are already getting a free education, which is a form of compensation. However, that's pointless for one and dones, and it's little consolation to struggling student athletes who can't pay their electric bills.

Ideally, the NBA would get rid of the one and done rule and let kids get drafted out of high school. I think if that happened, you'd see most of the under the table dealings go away. Not all, but most.

But of course, the NCAA can't force the NBA to change its rules, so the NCAA will have to change its own rules. I think it's best for the players to be allowed to control and profit from their own image and name. If the NCAA allowed the schools to pay players a "salary," I think the P5 would price pretty much price everyone else out of business. Not to mention you'd have a host of issues regarding whether salaries should be the same across sports and across genders. That's Pandora's box.

[Steeleshocker]

Why can't student athletes pay their electric bills? Housing should be covered by their scholarship.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Steele: See Morris, Shaq. Dude couldn't pay his electric bill.

[AZ Shocker]

Bingo Rocky Mountain Shock! Bingo!

[wufan]

Amateur status in big time athletics might not be the solution anymore. There is too much money to be made and a deregulated open market is the only natural solution (sadly). Title IX would have to eat a big **** burger on this one.

[Dan]

Amateur status in big time athletics might not be the solution anymore. There is too much money to be made and a deregulated open market is the only natural solution (sadly). Title IX would have to eat a big **** burger on this one.

i think another big part of this is that you’re dealing with government funded organizations. Equality will always be an issue, otherwise, watch out for more lawsuits.

[Shockm]

Amateur status in big time athletics might not be the solution anymore. There is too much money to be made and a deregulated open market is the only natural solution (sadly). Title IX would have to eat a big **** burger on this one.

The sad result will be even fewer pockets of interest from most fans. Who cares to watch additional spoiled athletes who have even smaller connections to schools and fans and more selfish connections to the few.

[Shockm]

I'm losing some interest in NCAA madness just thinking about it. My money isn't much by itself but if trend grows, it will.

[pogo]

Cheech and Chong has an appropriate punishment "Bailiff whack his pee pee"

[ShockCrazy]

One thing that definitely could be changed is letting athletes have the rights to their image. Also another thought is let players take loans on future earnings. This keeps the schools from paying IF we insist on that, but also makes sure high level players can have money if they want it. I still think the simplest solution is a small salary capped pool to distribute to scholarship players.

The fact is amateur athletics is long gone and isn't coming back. If we want amateur athletics some serious changes would need to happen, we need to cut back on coach salaries, athletic department salaries, and the facilities arms race. But with that would be a cut back on ticket prices, TV deals, and total revenue. True amateur basketball could exist but it looks nothing at all like the NCAA does now, there is too much money at play.

[im4wsu]

From the perspective of pure principle, I understand why the NCAA would want to protect amateurism (I'm not saying that's actually why the rules are the way they are--I think a lot of it has to do with the NCAA being greedy).

Players are already getting a free education, which is a form of compensation. However, that's pointless for one and dones, and it's little consolation to struggling student athletes who can't pay their electric bills.

Ideally, the NBA would get rid of the one and done rule and let kids get drafted out of high school. I think if that happened, you'd see most of the under the table dealings go away. Not all, but most.

But of course, the NCAA can't force the NBA to change its rules, so the NCAA will have to change its own rules. I think it's best for the players to be allowed to control and profit from their own image and name. If the NCAA allowed the schools to pay players a "salary," I think the P5 would price pretty much everyone else out of business. Not to mention you'd have a host of issues regarding whether salaries should be the same across sports and across genders. That's Pandora's box.

The highest level prospects after the one and dones are removed from the pool will still be "competed for" by the P5 powers. Moving the line down 5-10-15 players will not change the effort made to get the best players available. IMHO, you're kidding yourself if you think "not all, but most" of the shenanigans woulkd disappear.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

The highest level prospects after the one and dones are removed from the pool will still be "competed for" by the P5 powers. Moving the line down 5-10-15 players will not change the effort made to get the best players available. IMHO, you're kidding yourself if you think "not all, but most" of the shenanigans woulkd disappear.

You probably have a point. Even though these kids would stay in school a few years, there still would be pressure on shoe companies to wine and dine the best ones before they were eventually drafted into the NBA.

[Kung Wu]

Don't.

[BOBB]

The NBA/NFL is the solution. Bona fide pros shouldn't be precluded from earning in the market. A system like MLB/College baseball would solve this. Can turn pro right out of high school and go to minor leagues/Europe. If you sign with school it is two years before you can reenter.

Biggest winners in current system:
1. NBA and NFL who use college as a free farm system. If Billy Preston could have legally picked up a $500,000 bonus and a $50,000 salary for two years plus a car from his agent would he have signed with KU?, I think Lavar Ball is a jackass, but him moving his kids to Europe was a smart and honest decision.

2. Women's sports. What if football went to 50 scholarships and basketball to 10? Rest assured equivalent cuts to women's programs would come.

[Korky60]

I've read a lot of good ideas on this thread. But personally think that a big part of the solution starts with AAU basketball. That is among the most corrupt of organizations in the world. Certainly not everyone who participates in corrupt but the seeds for what occur later start there.

[El_Wu]

The best way to settle all this would be to just let the pay to play mentality to go away. Same thing is happening in US Soccer. In Europe and most parts of the world. Kids are getting scouted at the age of 5 years by professional clubs. And some turn pro at the age of 15, signing multi million dollars deals. Why cant we do that. There are a couple of players in the NBA that has skipped the whole college experience and are doing good. Lets say a player is good and wants to get a whole lot better then he should sign a contract with the school to get paid and not an education. But if the player wants the degree and will commit to 4 or 5 years. than he would have to go with the NCAA rules. If that players wants to end his contract then he would have to pay the school back the money that is left in his school contract. How does that sound.