Roster Next Year

[Ta town]

We're really thin in the paint next year. Who knows if Orupke will even be able to give us 10 productive minutes a game.

I'm not worried. Stutz, Hall, Ehimen and White sound good to me.

4 guys, 1 that has somewhat proven himself, just doesn't sound like enough ammo for me. I doubt Orupke even gives us anything worth while next year.

why do you say this? he rebounds. if he plays 15 minutes he will average 5-6 boards I have no doubt.

now offense, etc I don't know.

[SubGod22]

We're really thin in the paint next year. Who knows if Orupke will even be able to give us 10 productive minutes a game.

I'm not worried. Stutz, Hall, Ehimen and White sound good to me.

4 guys, 1 that has somewhat proven himself, just doesn't sound like enough ammo for me. I doubt Orupke even gives us anything worth while next year.

why do you say this? he rebounds. if he plays 15 minutes he will average 5-6 boards I have no doubt.

now offense, etc I don't know.

Not everybody has to produce on that end. If Ehimen can get good post position, he can be effective.

[SHOXAAC]

If you need a 6'8 wrecking ball to run into people for 2 to 3 minutes a game Josh Walker can do that. :D

He's good at getting shots redirected in the other direction. ;-)

[SubGod22]

If you need a 6'8 wrecking ball to run into people for 2 to 3 minutes a game Josh Walker can do that. :D

He's good at getting shots redirected in the other direction. ;-)

:yes:

[Perezident]

If you need a 6'8 wrecking ball to run into people for 2 to 3 minutes a game Josh Walker can do that. :D

He's good at getting shots redirected in the other direction. ;-)

His own or other people's?

[XManCometh]

We're really thin in the paint next year. Who knows if Orupke will even be able to give us 10 productive minutes a game.

I'm not worried. Stutz, Hall, Ehimen and White sound good to me.

4 guys, 1 that has somewhat proven himself, just doesn't sound like enough ammo for me. I doubt Orupke even gives us anything worth while next year.

why do you say this? he rebounds. if he plays 15 minutes he will average 5-6 boards I have no doubt.

now offense, etc I don't know.

Orupke has zero offensive skills, making it 4 on 5 each time down the court. I don't know if I want maybe 5 rebounds extra (that someone with offensive skills could have easily tracked down) from a guy who basically brings our offense down to a halt because all he can do is set picks. 15 minutes a game of 4 on 5 offensively. Do you really want that from a player? I sure don't. I bet he's our 4th-5th big man next year and maybe gives us 5-7 minutes a game. Maybe. I'm not on the Orupke bandwagon like 90% of the people on here. I think he's a D-2 player at best.

[wufan]

What would make you feel more confident? Two returning centers and two incoming all-Americans are already on the roster.

[XManCometh]

What would make you feel more confident? Two returning centers and two incoming all-Americans are already on the roster.

One returning Center. I don't count a guy that played 2 minutes a game. A rotation of 3 big men isn't going to cut it. All I'm saying is it'd be nice to get another big man with that last scholarship. Relying on a guy that played 2 minutes a game and "might" turn out to be average is really wishing on a shooting star. If we don't and Orupke turns out to be a bust, which I fully expect, then we'll be playing with a small roster quite a bit.

[SubGod22]

We're really thin in the paint next year. Who knows if Orupke will even be able to give us 10 productive minutes a game.

I'm not worried. Stutz, Hall, Ehimen and White sound good to me.

4 guys, 1 that has somewhat proven himself, just doesn't sound like enough ammo for me. I doubt Orupke even gives us anything worth while next year.

why do you say this? he rebounds. if he plays 15 minutes he will average 5-6 boards I have no doubt.

now offense, etc I don't know.

Orupke has zero offensive skills, making it 4 on 5 each time down the court. I don't know if I want maybe 5 rebounds extra (that someone with offensive skills could have easily tracked down) from a guy who basically brings our offense down to a halt because all he can do is set picks. 15 minutes a game of 4 on 5 offensively. Do you really want that from a player? I sure don't. I bet he's our 4th-5th big man next year and maybe gives us 5-7 minutes a game. Maybe. I'm not on the Orupke bandwagon like 90% of the people on here. I think he's a D-2 player at best.

I don't care how little range he has. He still has to be defended inside and pushed off the block. Get him the ball down there and he'll be able to cause some problems. Offensive boards will be put away when he gets his hands on them as well. We don't have to have somebody like Durley who can step out and hit a three. But we'll have two of those guys anyway with Stutz and White.

Plus, he'll have all summer to work on some things. I'd expect his offense will be farther along and we won't be playing 4 on 5 at any point in the season. Even if he doesn't get a good shot out to 10 feet, he's still a presence on both ends that will have to be accounted for.

[1972Shocker]

My position on EO is we will see how it goes. He certainly has the athleticism and length. You can't coach that.

Now whether he can pick up on the skill parts of the game remain to be seen.

Jake White and Carl Hall look good on paper. How well they make the transition to D-1 basketball also remains to be seen.

Garrett should have a solid senior year but there are some matchups that give him problems. Hopefully, more often than not he will be the matchup giving other teams the problems next year. Still Garrett has not yet shown he can consistently bring it. Again we'll find out next year whether he can be a consistent force in the middle.

Wouldn't surprise me to see 3G and staff target another big man if they kind find one that is worthwhile pursuing.

We more than enough potential to be very good again next year. Just hard to predict if and to what extent that potential will be realized.

[im4wsu]

No question there are many areas for EO to improve. But if he can limit his fouling, he is a beast on the boards. He snatched 30.7% of the possible defensive rebounds and 9.9% of the possible offensive rebounds. WSU team totals were 15.4 per player and 7.3 per player, respectively. And he still gets pushed around easily, but that should improve with another off-season of S&C.

[dregn]

What would make you feel more confident? Two returning centers and two incoming all-Americans are already on the roster.

One returning Center. I don't count a guy that played 2 minutes a game. A rotation of 3 big men isn't going to cut it. All I'm saying is it'd be nice to get another big man with that last scholarship. Relying on a guy that played 2 minutes a game and "might" turn out to be average is really wishing on a shooting star. If we don't and Orupke turns out to be a bust, which I fully expect, then we'll be playing with a small roster quite a bit.

Call up Miller, Wilson and Martin and let them know a 3 man rotation won't work...

[Ricardo del Rio]

What would make you feel more confident? Two returning centers and two incoming all-Americans are already on the roster.

One returning Center. I don't count a guy that played 2 minutes a game. A rotation of 3 big men isn't going to cut it. All I'm saying is it'd be nice to get another big man with that last scholarship. Relying on a guy that played 2 minutes a game and "might" turn out to be average is really wishing on a shooting star. If we don't and Orupke turns out to be a bust, which I fully expect, then we'll be playing with a small roster quite a bit.

Call up Miller, Wilson and Martin and let them know a 3 man rotation won't work...

Plus Ramon.

[wufan]

What would make you feel more confident? Two returning centers and two incoming all-Americans are already on the roster.

One returning Center. I don't count a guy that played 2 minutes a game. A rotation of 3 big men isn't going to cut it. All I'm saying is it'd be nice to get another big man with that last scholarship. Relying on a guy that played 2 minutes a game and "might" turn out to be average is really wishing on a shooting star. If we don't and Orupke turns out to be a bust, which I fully expect, then we'll be playing with a small roster quite a bit.

Call up Miller, Wilson and Martin and let them know a 3 man rotation won't work...

Or Miller, Kampman, and Wise, or ANY OTHER TEAM PRE-HCGM! Look around the Valley and find me a team that feels like they're back-up center has an opportunity to be a force in the Valley, if they even have one. Three man forward rotations are the norm. Four is the exception, and you want a 5th. That's cool and all, we'd all like to be deeper, but we just brought in a HS All-American and a JC AA. Who are you going to get that's going to make you think, man, we're really set now!? Look around. There are a handful of unskilled 6-8 guys out there and a bunch more 6-5 guys that will go to juco because they are tweeners.

I just don't know what you expect. We have a skilled 7 footer that has shown the ability to be DOMINANT at times. We have a 7 foot athletic stud. He's a project, he has work to do, and he may turn out to be an 8 minute a game bust that blocks 1 shot and grabs 4 rebounds. Poor us!!! We had zero returning PFs and we brought in two very talented guys with size (not the 6-6 guys the rest of the Valley is bringing in). Considering the fact that we graduated three power forwards, we are in EXCEPTIONAL position! In fact, barring Perry Ellis graduating this summer and beginning his college career at WSU in the fall, I can't see a better scenerio given the circumstances. I for one am damn glad that we are in as good of shape as we are, you know, having one of the top 3 or 4 front courts in the Valley after loosing JTD, GB, and AE.

If there is a guy that HCGM thinks can help this team in the post, I believe he will be all over it, but there just aren't that many.

[wufan]

What would make you feel more confident? Two returning centers and two incoming all-Americans are already on the roster.

One returning Center. I don't count a guy that played 2 minutes a game. A rotation of 3 big men isn't going to cut it. All I'm saying is it'd be nice to get another big man with that last scholarship. Relying on a guy that played 2 minutes a game and "might" turn out to be average is really wishing on a shooting star. If we don't and Orupke turns out to be a bust, which I fully expect, then we'll be playing with a small roster quite a bit.

Call up Miller, Wilson and Martin and let them know a 3 man rotation won't work...

Plus Ramon.

Ramon wasn't on that team. How about this...Wilson, Martin, and Thomasson.