Go Trees beat Syracuse

[forevershockerfan]

Aargh, don't be so shy. Tell us how you really feel? :D

[kcshocker11]

Syracuse is gonna eat them for lunch and make the Valley proud.

If the league is not collectively embarrassed by what's going to happen in this game, then the league, as a whole, has accepted mediocrity.

The game hasnt happened yet! 8)

[tropicalshox]

The real embarrassment for the MVC is ISU is the only Valley representative. Upsets happen in league tournaments. The failure of the league's top two teams to be able to establish a dance worthy resume is the problem.

[kcshocker11]

The real embarrassment for the MVC is ISU is the only Valley representative. Upsets happen in league tournaments. The failure of the league's top two teams to be able to establish a dance worthy resume is the problem.

:good: :posterwu: 8)

Though looking at the resumes of some that make it makes me wonder if we could ever build a resume that would over shadow the BCS bias

[Aargh]

Syracuse is gonna eat them for lunch and make the Valley proud.

If the league is not collectively embarrassed by what's going to happen in this game, then the league, as a whole, has accepted mediocrity.

The game hasnt happened yet! 8)

Hand me a plate of crow if this game is within 20 points for an reason other than mercy or Boeheim resting players for the rest of the tourney.

The only hope the Trees have is if they "Evansville" the Orange. (Refer to UNI, WSU and UE in 2010 if you don't understand that sentence.)

[another shocker]

The real embarrassment for the MVC is ISU is the only Valley representative. Upsets happen in league tournaments. The failure of the league's top two teams to be able to establish a dance worthy resume is the problem.

The top-2 regular season finishers didn't even get an NCAA sniff.. not even a hint. What an f'in joke. Elgin better have his people working overtime.

[shox1989]

The real embarrassment for the MVC is ISU is the only Valley representative. Upsets happen in league tournaments. The failure of the league's top two teams to be able to establish a dance worthy resume is the problem.

The top-2 regular season finishers didn't even get an NCAA sniff.. not even a hint. What an f'in joke. Elgin better have his people working overtime.

I agree. I hope Elgin takes this seriously and makes some major changes. I am afraid he is not.

[tropicalshox]

I don't think many of us expect changes by the MVC. It's on us. The real key is continual upgrade in recruiting. I suggest upgrading the schedule by whatever means possible, do the best we can at winning those game to attract more and more exposure on TV, media and hopefully someday in the rankings and dance. Quality recruits want to play for nationally recognized good teams that dance deep.

[60Shock]

It's like a lotto ticket, unless you buy one you have zero chances of winning. Somehow, we need to come up with about 7-10 tickets to have any chance at all. We further need to stratch on more than half of them.

Every sports news commentater, broadcaster, and reporter,I've listened to or read, has constantly pointed out that it's who you beat that matters. Unless you win your conference, which seems to be an impossibility for a certain school we need not mention, you have to beat the majority of the top 50 and 100 teams you play.

Our AD and coach appear to still believe that it is more advantageous to win 20 games and they can accomplish this most years by scheduling four to six cream puffs. They can continue to do this till the NCAA votes come in, and we will remain very unlikely to get invited to the dance.

I am sympathetic with and totally understand the need to protect one's job, but there has to be a happy medium here as well. Royal has mentioned reducing the cream puffs to no more than two. This certainly would be an improvement. This year we got hurt because LSU, Tulsa, and Virginia had down years. This is just another reason to schedule a few more games to cover years like this.

Needless to say, if we were in a conference, that consistently had at least three to six schools that consistently fell in this range, we would not have the problem we do.

[shox1989]

I don't think many of us expect changes by the MVC. It's on us. The real key is continual upgrade in recruiting. I suggest upgrading the schedule by whatever means possible, do the best we can at winning those game to attract more and more exposure on TV, media and hopefully someday in the rankings and dance. Quality recruits want to play for nationally recognized good teams that dance deep.

The problem is that we can't do it totally on our own. 21 games a year (counting the Valley tourney) are against our conference foes. Like it or not are fate is at least somewhat tied together.

If the conference won't even try to return to their past levels, then I really think we should start looking at other options.

[WuDrWu]

If the conference won't even try to return to their past levels, then I really think we should start looking at other options.

I agree completely, but someone has to want us as well. Therein lies a lot of the problem.

[tropicalshox]

I don't think many of us expect changes by the MVC. It's on us. The real key is continual upgrade in recruiting. I suggest upgrading the schedule by whatever means possible, do the best we can at winning those game to attract more and more exposure on TV, media and hopefully someday in the rankings and dance. Quality recruits want to play for nationally recognized good teams that dance deep.

The problem is that we can't do it totally on our own. 21 games a year (counting the Valley tourney) are against our conference foes. Like it or not are fate is at least somewhat tied together.

If the conference won't even try to return to their past levels, then I really think we should start looking at other options.

That's why I stated to upgrade the schedule by whatever means possbile. That includes looking at other conference options.

[Shocktoberfest]

It's still on us. We have to take care of ourselves. If we had come through in our winnable big games this year the Valley would be a 2 bid league. It's our fault.

We do need to schedule better to improve our margin for error. That I agree with.

[Kung Wu]

I don't think many of us expect changes by the MVC. It's on us. The real key is continual upgrade in recruiting. I suggest upgrading the schedule by whatever means possible, do the best we can at winning those game to attract more and more exposure on TV, media and hopefully someday in the rankings and dance. Quality recruits want to play for nationally recognized good teams that dance deep.

The problem is that we can't do it totally on our own. 21 games a year (counting the Valley tourney) are against our conference foes. Like it or not are fate is at least somewhat tied together.

If the conference won't even try to return to their past levels, then I really think we should start looking at other options.

That's why I stated to upgrade the schedule by whatever means possbile. That includes looking at other conference options.

Butler and Gonzaga have managed to play in a weaker conference over the years. Follow Trops advice and win our games. Once we have a history of winning and the media is talking us up, we get to schedule tougher games.

If we haven't built our own team strong enough to completely dominate a weak conference, how can we complain about the conference being weak? We need to look in the mirror and focus on our own team's issues first, then the rest follows.

[kcshocker11]

Vegas has Syracuse by 11