The Official "Get Rid of Elgin" thread

[Capitol Shock]

I am surprised by the Elgin support on this board but it doesn't change my mind. Again, I think 22 years in this position is too long if for no other reason.

I think the stature of the Valley in sports, (mainly basketball) and it's certainly the driver, has been diminished over this period of time. We have gone from significant to insignificant during that period.

If conference basketball conditions were improving...it would be apparent in both media coverage and quality of teams. If conditions were improving the Valley would be touting it as much as possible. They obviously aren't. So either they have nothing to tout or they are failing to promote the improvement. Which of the two do you think it is?

I just think that conference basketball and baseball have been trending downward over the course of the last several years. I don't think that Elgin is the right guy to turn it around. I do think Jim Shaus could do it though.

[Capitol Shock]

One last thing before I retire from this thread. How many significant programs are / would be interested in affiliating with the Valley? How many have we heard about? Why do you think that is?

Nobody that we can get excited about ever wants to join the Valley. That ought to tell you something. Get that situation turned around and we'll be moving in the right direction.

[SB Shock]

I am surprised by the Elgin support on this board but it doesn't change my mind. Again, I think 22 years in this position is too long if for no other reason.

Don't misinterpret what I have said - I don't have any great love for Elgin and I don't ever he has ever looked out for WSU best interests, but the hole the MVC in is because of the schools not wanting to put in the resources to compete.

One last thing before I retire from this thread. How many significant programs are / would be interested in affiliating with the Valley? How many have we heard about? Why do you think that is?

Nobody that we can get excited about ever wants to join the Valley. That ought to tell you something. Get that situation turned around and we'll be moving in the right direction.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Cbd1.PNG

This map speaks to the reality of it all. Unless your joining a conference that is throwing money at you, your conference affiliation will be driven by geography so you can keep your cost down. WSU is in conference no mans land and really has no options but the MVC.

[martymoose]

I'll say I've wanted Elgin out ever since he poached my seats in Greensboro...my buddies and I got up to grab a drink and came back to find Elgin sitting in our seats chatting it up with Don and Shirley Beggs. :-x

[kochHead]

I'll say I've wanted Elgin out ever since he poached my seats in Greensboro...my buddies and I got up to grab a drink and came back to find Elgin sitting in our seats chatting it up with Don and Shirley Beggs. :-x

You must have had good seats. :)

[wusphlash]

I don't have any real problems with Elgin. I believe TV coverage has increased tremendously over the past several years. Remember when being on any ESPN broadcast was an event? We have a package with Fox and our tournament championship game is on CBS. I think that says a lot.

We have a stable, major city site for our tournament. It is attended pretty well for as spread out as the Valley is.

If I remember correctly the reward/penalty stipulations were removed at the request of certain coaches. It was a big mistake in my opinion.

All in all I believe he has done a good job in promoting the Valley. I don't think he has much to do with the product on the floor. That's the responsibility of the schools, the coaches and the players.


Lastly, I believe Doug just turned 60. Does he plan to keep on working or is he nearing retirement? If he did, I think Jim Schaus, as mentioned by Capitol Shock, would be an interesting candidate.

[ABC]

What reward and penalties were there for scheduling?

[wusphlash]

What reward and penalties were there for scheduling?

I'll have to do some research but I believe they were monetary. Not that the conference took money away, but you got a bigger piece of the pie at the end of the year for scheduling up. There was some thought that this contributed to the rise culminating in the 2006 success.

[ShockTalk]

What reward and penalties were there for scheduling?

I'll have to do some research but I believe they were monetary. Not that the conference took money away, but you got a bigger piece of the pie at the end of the year for scheduling up. There was some thought that this contributed to the rise culminating in the 2006 success.

I believe C-USA put in monetary penalty last year. Basically, you don't hit certain standards, your school gets no share of post-season monies. Of course, I assume a majority of schools had to approved that move.

On another thread here, the OOC SoS of each Valley school was listed. After looking at that fiasco, such a move in the Valley would gain approval from only one school for sure.

[wusphlash]

This probably in some thread in here, but here is a link to a Kyle Whelliston article where he mentions monetary benefits for scheduling up. He's not so sure it will work for us at this point.

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=599

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

I believe TV coverage has increased tremendously over the past several years. Remember when being on any ESPN broadcast was an event?

Yeah, it USED to be an event. Tonight Ark-Pine Bluff was playing Prairie View A&M on ESPNU.

EVERYONE has better TV packages, some just better than others.

[shox1989]

I believe TV coverage has increased tremendously over the past several years. Remember when being on any ESPN broadcast was an event?

Yeah, it USED to be an event. Tonight Ark-Pine Bluff was playing Prairie View A&M on ESPNU.

EVERYONE has better TV packages, some just better than others.

That is not true. It used to be that basically every conference got at least one game a year on espn2 (espn before that). Now many of the smaller conferences get their one or two games on espnU instead of espn2, that is actually a step down for them.

There is actually another separation going on right now, with the smaller conferences being totally moved to espnU. So far the Valley has actually expanded its coverage on espn2 while also expanding on espnU. Hopefully that will continue even after a down year like this one.

WSU will be on espn2 SIX times this year and espnU 3 times as well as FOX SPORTS (KC, MIDWEST, COMCAST-CHICAGO), 3 times, the MTN once and maybe a 4th appearance on FOX and one appearance on CBS (if we get to the Valley tittle game).

That is a huge improvement of where we were just a few years ago.