The Official "Get Rid of Elgin" thread

[Capitol Shock]

I really don't have anything against the guy. He did a great job for the last 20 years or so but I thinks it's time to get some fresh blood. It seems that the conference now just does things because that's the way it's been done for the last 25 years.

Some changes I think are long overdue:

Change the tournament venue every couple years to Kansas City.

Force conference teams to play better competition.

Get rid of the week sisters in the conference or look for upgrades to the conference.

Get out of Bracket Busters. To be successful I think you need to associate with winners, not losers. There are many more losers participating in this event than winners. If it were such a great event, the BCS teams would want in...they don't. That ought to tell you something right there. We were in the "At Large" projections prior to the game and we aren't now. We had nothing to gain by playing that game and everything to lose.

As the father of "Dream Busters" I wonder if Elgin would consider letting the event go to benefit the conference?

I'm not saying Doug did a bad job but we need some new ideas and somebody willing to go to battle. I think Elgin is past that.

[shox1989]

Re: The Official "Get Rid of Elgin" thread

I really don't have anything against the guy. He did a great job for the last 20 years or so but I thinks it's time to get some fresh blood. It seems that the conference now just does things because that's the way it's been done for the last 25 years.

Some changes I think are long overdue:

Change the tournament venue every couple years to Kansas City.

Force conference teams to play better competition.

Get rid of the week sisters in the conference or look for upgrades to the conference.

Get out of Bracket Busters. To be successful I think you need to associate with winners, not losers. There are many more losers participating in this event than winners. If it were such a great event, the BCS teams would want in...they don't. That ought to tell you something right there. We were in the "At Large" projections prior to the game and we aren't now. We had nothing to gain by playing that game and everything to lose.

As the father of "Dream Busters" I wonder if Elgin would consider letting the event go to benefit the conference?

I'm not saying Doug did a bad job but we need some new ideas and somebody willing to go to battle. I think Elgin is past that.

I am not ready to dump Elgin yet, but I agree with your statements. And I hope he starts making some chances.

[SB Shock]

The mvc just inked a deal with Stl so the mc is not going to happen. Even if it was a option the illinois schools would not let him.

I have no love for Elgin because of what I perceive as injustices for baseball and more recently with ball, but let's be honest he works for the schools and he can't really effect much unless they want him to. It was a majority of mvc schools that wanted to get rid of the rip scheduling requirement.

Overall most mvc schools want to spend as little as they can on athletics. Elgin can't stop a conference from being mediocre if that is what it's schools are happy with.

[proshox]

Way too much whining on shockernet. If WSU takes care of business the rest would be just fine. The valley tournament draws thousands of shocker fans to St. Louis every year because it is a great event. Doug Elgin has not been behind SIU having multiple defections, Creighton's recent fall, Bradley's injuries to the top three players, UNI's key injuries/best recruit decommitting, or WSU's inability to cash in against UCONN, San Diego State, or four of the home games. Hell if WSU had been successful in 50% of those games the whole Valley would be viewed differently.

Bracket Buster has not hurt the valley, the performance of the teams has hurt the valley. Some how people are correlating one game per team per season to recruitng, coaching, player injuries, etc that actually impact how good the teams in the valley are. It is almost laughable, but there are so many people on this site....

[ABC]

The current contract for the MVC tourney in St. Louis goes until 2013.

So it isn't too long where there will be another bidding process.

Or the MVC might just re-sign St. Louis, but I would imagine that WSU and Creighton, for starters, would strongly object to not having a bidding process.

Last time Omaha, Des Moines, KC and St. Louis submitted bids.

The United Center in Chicago initially showed interest, but didn't submit a bid.

The Big 12 will be in KC through 2014.

I've thought that MVC could be in KC when the Big 12 is not, but b/c the MVC tourney is one week before the Big 12, there is no reason the MVC and the Big 12 tournies couldn't be in the same arena.

[shoxlax]

The mvc just inked a deal with Stl so the mc is not going to happen. Even if it was a option the illinois schools would not let him.

I have no love for Elgin because of what I perceive as injustices for baseball and more recently with ball, but let's be honest he works for the schools and he can't really effect much unless they want him to. It was a majority of mvc schools that wanted to get rid of the rip scheduling requirement.

Overall most mvc schools want to spend as little as they can on athletics. Elgin can't stop a conference from being mediocre if that is what it's schools are happy with.

Good thoughts SB....I wonder who the next Valley school will be to drop baseball. Maybe we should start an official Lets shop for a New Conference thread.

[SHOXJOCK]

Way too much whining on shockernet. If WSU takes care of business the rest would be just fine. The valley tournament draws thousands of shocker fans to St. Louis every year because it is a great event. Doug Elgin has not been behind SIU having multiple defections, Creighton's recent fall, Bradley's injuries to the top three players, UNI's key injuries/best recruit decommitting, or WSU's inability to cash in against UCONN, San Diego State, or four of the home games. Hell if WSU had been successful in 50% of those games the whole Valley would be viewed differently.

Bracket Buster has not hurt the valley, the performance of the teams has hurt the valley. Some how people are correlating one game per team per season to recruitng, coaching, player injuries, etc that actually impact how good the teams in the valley are. It is almost laughable, but there are so many people on this site....

You get a jelly donut private Plie . Well said

[Capitol Shock]

Maybe it's just me but I think 22 years on the job is plenty. I think if only for that reason alone, somebody new should be brought in with some different ideas.

I'm not saying Doug has done a bad job but it doesn't seem like our conference has improved in stature over the course of the last five years at least. I personally think it's trending in the wrong direction.

At one time the Valley was a powerhouse conference. It has a very rich history with some of the best players ever. You can say that it's impossible to get back to that level or that we never will but that's no excuse not to try. Our conference is not improving, it's declining and I hope that somebody is trying to do something about it instead of just accepting current conditions.

[ShockRef]

Way too much whining on shockernet. If WSU takes care of business the rest would be just fine. The valley tournament draws thousands of shocker fans to St. Louis every year because it is a great event. Doug Elgin has not been behind SIU having multiple defections, Creighton's recent fall, Bradley's injuries to the top three players, UNI's key injuries/best recruit decommitting, or WSU's inability to cash in against UCONN, San Diego State, or four of the home games. Hell if WSU had been successful in 50% of those games the whole Valley would be viewed differently.

Bracket Buster has not hurt the valley, the performance of the teams has hurt the valley. Some how people are correlating one game per team per season to recruitng, coaching, player injuries, etc that actually impact how good the teams in the valley are. It is almost laughable, but there are so many people on this site....

Ding, Ding, Ding... we have a winner.

Don't blame Elgin for WSU's miscues.

They haven't got it done when the bright lights were on and now they have their backs literally against the wall.

The real point here is the season is not over.

There is still an opportunity. I personally feel if they run the table against CU, MSU and win at least two in STL, they would get an at-large.

I know, Fever will come running out of his bunker and start calling me crazy, but just have a hunch The Committee is not going to leave the regular season winner at home.

Now if they beat CU & MSU and then lose early in STL.... Ut oh. 8)

[Capitol Shock]

I'm certainly not blaming the conference for WSU's problems...I'm blaming Elgin for the conference's problems.

I don't want WSU to leave the Valley but there are some other teams in our conference that I would like to see leave and then replace them with better programs.

I have never heard of a conference asking a team to leave...unfortunately...I have only heard of teams deciding to leave.

[BOBB]

The difference between being a good non BCS conference and an OK midmajor conference is razor-thin. I think the trajectory of some key programs is up in the MVC. MoSt isn't getting worse under Martin. Chewie will get it done in Creighton. Marshall and Jacobsen will continue to do what they do. Marty Simmons will keep Evansville respectable despite their disadvantages. The abyss facing SIU is hurting the league right now. If a few of the four stronger programs pick up some key wins in the OOC and then handle the weaker teams, we're talking about what a strong league this is. These things are somewhat cyclical in the best of times. We'd need a few more years of consistent one-bids to have to think about our options.

I'd also note that the CAA and A10 have some scheduling advantages being on the East Coast.

[kochHead]

I'd also note that the CAA and A10 have some scheduling advantages being on the East Coast.

And recruiting advantages as well

[Capitol Shock]

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/23679/tallying-saturdays-winners-and-losers

[ShockerFever]

Where were these threads 5 years ago?

[shox1989]

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/23679/tallying-saturdays-winners-and-losers

This quote makes me the sickest (although calling the MVC the big loser this weekend isn't much better but there really isn't any way to sugar coat our losses):

Not only did Saturday's impressive defensive effort earn Doc Sadler's team its sixth conference win, it sank a Texas team that had yet to be challenged in Big 12 play, created yet more uncertainty at the top of the polls, and gave the Huskers a legitimate chance of sneaking into the tournament. Wins don't get much bigger than this.

UNL has ONE road win, 63 rpi, 6-6 in big 12 play (winning at home, losing on the road) and 2 terrible losses (Davidson and #156 Texas Tech).

Now because they get the chance to play Texas in Lincoln and beat them they are on the right side of the bubble.

I hope the committee looks at their whole body of work and doesn't reward UNL for Texas's off day in Lincoln.