Why let Rodriguez have the ball?

[kochHead]

Re: Why let Rodriguez have the ball?

Why not call TO after Rags free throws and double him? VCU has no one else that can make that play in 4.9 seconds and there was no time for a pass.


Brutally amazing.

Everyone knew that 4.9 seconds left was just too much time for VCU. This team has had problems stopping dribble drive penetration all year and you knew that either the kid was going to make the layup or get fouled. He got fouled. The replay shows that Ragland touched his arm, if he had just kept his arm straight up and down I don't think the foul would have been called, but his arm was leaning forward and toward Rodriguez and that is all that it took. Sunshine Pumpers, please don't say if we win against MO State then we still have a chance. It is St. Louis or bust.

It is St. Louis or bust. Our bracket just got burst.

The BB is an elimination game and we lost so we are eliminated.

And a win over us is not going to be enough for VCU to get in, so it becomes a double elimination game.

The big winner tonight is another 7th place team in a BCS conference.

I'm getting sick and tired of seeing your lame excuses. If we can't WIN at HOME against VCU, then we DON'T deserve an at-large bid. We already blew three other games at home, two against Top 100 teams.

It's not BB's fault that we're in this position. This was our fault. BB actually would have helped our RPI, helped our schedule, and helped get everyone's eyes on us for two hours tonight. Instead, we flunked again and missed another golden opportunity.

Quit effing blaming the BB and put some responsibility on the team/coach's inability to win a big game... at HOME.

Good point. I am just tired of reading all the posts from the arm chair coaches out there who always have the answer after the fact.

[wu_shizzle]

I watched the replay on ESPN3.

It sure looked like Joe fouled Rodriguez on the first pump.

[ShockTalk]

Re: Why let Rodriguez have the ball?

Why not call TO after Rags free throws and double him? VCU has no one else that can make that play in 4.9 seconds and there was no time for a pass.


Brutally amazing.

Everyone knew that 4.9 seconds left was just too much time for VCU. This team has had problems stopping dribble drive penetration all year and you knew that either the kid was going to make the layup or get fouled. He got fouled. The replay shows that Ragland touched his arm, if he had just kept his arm straight up and down I don't think the foul would have been called, but his arm was leaning forward and toward Rodriguez and that is all that it took. Sunshine Pumpers, please don't say if we win against MO State then we still have a chance. It is St. Louis or bust.

It is St. Louis or bust. Our bracket just got burst.

The BB is an elimination game and we lost so we are eliminated.

And a win over us is not going to be enough for VCU to get in, so it becomes a double elimination game.

The big winner tonight is another 7th place team in a BCS conference.

I'm getting sick and tired of seeing your lame excuses. If we can't WIN at HOME against VCU, then we DON'T deserve an at-large bid. We already blew three other games at home, two against Top 100 teams.

It's not BB's fault that we're in this position. This was our fault. BB actually would have helped our RPI, helped our schedule, and helped get everyone's eyes on us for two hours tonight. Instead, we flunked again and missed another golden opportunity.

Quit effing blaming the BB and put some responsibility on the team/coach's inability to win a big game... at HOME.

Good point. I am just tired of reading all the posts from the arm chair coaches out there who always have the answer after the fact.

:blink: OK. You have me confused, Head. I agree with SF and if you think he made a good point, then you must agree to put some responsibility on the coach's inability to win a big game.

FYI. While Ben was shooting FTs, I was telling my wife that's there is still too much time and they can't let #12 get the inbounds. However, I fully agree that I'm an arm-chair coach and no more than. And unlike you, I believe you are intitled to your opinion, without being called a chump (that was a poor use of the word as I don't think you were referring us to patsies, push-overs, or soft touches), and questioning someone's fandom who simply has a different view point than yours. I also think the Shocks still have a great shot at winning in St. Louis, so I guess you might just have to put up with me.

[SHOXAAC]

Re: Why let Rodriguez have the ball?

Why not call TO after Rags free throws and double him? VCU has no one else that can make that play in 4.9 seconds and there was no time for a pass.


Brutally amazing.

Everyone knew that 4.9 seconds left was just too much time for VCU. This team has had problems stopping dribble drive penetration all year and you knew that either the kid was going to make the layup or get fouled. He got fouled. The replay shows that Ragland touched his arm, if he had just kept his arm straight up and down I don't think the foul would have been called, but his arm was leaning forward and toward Rodriguez and that is all that it took. Sunshine Pumpers, please don't say if we win against MO State then we still have a chance. It is St. Louis or bust.

It is St. Louis or bust. Our bracket just got burst.

The BB is an elimination game and we lost so we are eliminated.

And a win over us is not going to be enough for VCU to get in, so it becomes a double elimination game.

The big winner tonight is another 7th place team in a BCS conference.

I'm getting sick and tired of seeing your lame excuses. If we can't WIN at HOME against VCU, then we DON'T deserve an at-large bid. We already blew three other games at home, two against Top 100 teams.

It's not BB's fault that we're in this position. This was our fault. BB actually would have helped our RPI, helped our schedule, and helped get everyone's eyes on us for two hours tonight. Instead, we flunked again and missed another golden opportunity.

Quit effing blaming the BB and put some responsibility on the team/coach's inability to win a big game... at HOME.

Good point. I am just tired of reading all the posts from the arm chair coaches out there who always have the answer after the fact.

:blink: OK. You have me confused, Head. I agree with SF and if you think he made a good point, then you must agree to put some responsibility on the coach's inability to win a big game.

FYI. While Ben was shooting FTs, I was telling my wife that's there is still too much time and they can't let #12 get the inbounds. However, I fully agree that I'm an arm-chair coach and no more than. And unlike you, I believe you are intitled to your opinion, without being called a chump (that was a poor use of the word as I don't think you were referring us to patsies, push-overs, or soft touches), and questioning someone's fandom who simply has a different view point than yours. I also think the Shocks still have a great shot at winning in St. Louis, so I guess you might just have to put up with me.

If we must!!! :D

[dregn]

Even though it doesn't matter, but because it's driving me nuts on this thread, and i've seen it in several of the posts, Ben Smith was not shooting free throws at the end, Ragland was.

00:06 WSU GOOD! FT SHOT by Ragland, Joe WSU 66 - VCU 66 Tied
00:06 WSU GOOD! FT SHOT by Ragland, Joe

[im4wsu]

Re: Wow

"It's simply another case of us not knowing our opponent or refusing to exploit their weaknesses. Anybody that watches VCU a lot knows that Rodriguez is their only ball handler."

Good heavens, Coach lax. Do you actually think about some of this junk you post before you hit Submit? How much VCU game film do you suppose WSU's coaches have watched compared to the amount you have? What are the odds you know something that they don't, especially a revelation like "Rodriguez is their only ball handler"?

Teams' only ball handlers get themselves open to receive the ball all the time in situations like that. Ragland didn't do it against SIU -- a lesson I'll bet he won't need to be taught again -- but most of the time someone who really needs to have the ball in that spot will find a way to get it. You seem to forget that the opponents are trying, too, and in this case the guy did a good job getting the ball and coming quickly up court. WSU defended him well, he had to take an almost impossible shot, and but for a bogus foul seen only by KC (what a surprise!) and one ref, the Shocks pull out a game in which they did not play well or intelligently.

If any aspects of play cost WSU most dearly, they were bad shooting (SIU revisited again, especially Murry), lack of hustle on the boards, and utterly foolish turnovers by guys (e.g, Murry) trying to make unnecessarily fast and heroic plays. It's hard to imagine a team getting sped up to the point of being out of control yet lacking hustle, but the Shocks managed to do it tonight.

The team was confused on what to do after Smith's FT. Some were back peddling, some standing, no one really denying the inbounds pass, yet Marshall was trying to wave them to do so. Well, call a DAM* TIME OUT and make sure they know what you want.

Watcher, they may have had other ball handlers, but he was the only one I would have made dead certain didn't get the inbounds pass. I'd have to see a replay, but if they had any front court player around our 3 point area or one coming forward toward the ball, I'd leave him open and hope he would get the inbounds.

You don't even have to use the TO. Just make a player substitution after the FT. That gives time to set up the press "D". We've done it all year, so why not this time? Maybe he was leary of VCU doing what WSU did with 0.8 sec.-- Throw it to mid court and call time out with 4.5 left?

[wusphlash]

1) Don't let Rodriguez get the ball.
2) If he does, double team (without fouling) to get the ball out of his hands.
3) If he still gets by, get in front of him, don't just run beside him. You have to make him turn.
4) Somebody come help Joe. Still have a chance to get the ball out of his hands.
5) Make him make the shot. Don't give a Colonial official a chance to make a call.
6) There were fifty other plays we didn't make that would make 1 through 5 moot.

[newshock1234]

I watched the replay on ESPN3.

It sure looked like Joe fouled Rodriguez on the first pump.

then watch it again. i watched that play right when i got home and Joe didnt even touch him

[wusphlash]

I watched the replay on ESPN3.

It sure looked like Joe fouled Rodriguez on the first pump.

then watch it again. i watched that play right when i got home and Joe didnt even touch him

I haven't seen a replay to make a judgement. The picture in the paper shows Joe leaning in giving the opportunity for the official to make the call. However, Rodriguez's comment that the call "could have gone either way", suggests to me that he didn't believe he was fouled.

[WuDrWu]

It could have gone either way in the first 5 minutes of the game.


In the last 3 seconds, a call there is almost never made, period. That being said, I still believe the better team won, and we have plenty to work on entering March.


UMFB

[Snapshot9]

If we can't win the close 'big' game at home, what makes anyone think they can put 3 good games together in St. Louis??????? We might win 2, but I don't know about the 3rd one!

I am worried about getting past Creighton. They are playing better now, and it could be a real tough game. Even if they win, they have to play MSU 3 days later, and the wind might be out of their sails.

On LiveRPI. we dropped from #48 TO #55 (VCU moved up from 64 to 57), and they predict we will lose 1 more inseason game. They are also predicting us for a 13 seed instead of 12.

[ShockerFever]

It could have gone either way in the first 5 minutes of the game.


In the last 3 seconds, a call there is almost never made, period. That being said, I still believe the better team won, and we have plenty to work on entering March.


UMFB

+ 1,000.

[ShockerFever]

If we can't win the close 'big' game at home, what makes anyone think they can put 3 good games together in St. Louis??????? We might win 2, but I don't know about the 3rd one.

Because St. Louis is 500 miles away from Koch?

That's what I'm banking on.

[kochHead]

Re: Why let Rodriguez have the ball?

Why not call TO after Rags free throws and double him? VCU has no one else that can make that play in 4.9 seconds and there was no time for a pass.


Brutally amazing.

Everyone knew that 4.9 seconds left was just too much time for VCU. This team has had problems stopping dribble drive penetration all year and you knew that either the kid was going to make the layup or get fouled. He got fouled. The replay shows that Ragland touched his arm, if he had just kept his arm straight up and down I don't think the foul would have been called, but his arm was leaning forward and toward Rodriguez and that is all that it took. Sunshine Pumpers, please don't say if we win against MO State then we still have a chance. It is St. Louis or bust.

It is St. Louis or bust. Our bracket just got burst.

The BB is an elimination game and we lost so we are eliminated.

And a win over us is not going to be enough for VCU to get in, so it becomes a double elimination game.

The big winner tonight is another 7th place team in a BCS conference.

I'm getting sick and tired of seeing your lame excuses. If we can't WIN at HOME against VCU, then we DON'T deserve an at-large bid. We already blew three other games at home, two against Top 100 teams.

It's not BB's fault that we're in this position. This was our fault. BB actually would have helped our RPI, helped our schedule, and helped get everyone's eyes on us for two hours tonight. Instead, we flunked again and missed another golden opportunity.

Quit effing blaming the BB and put some responsibility on the team/coach's inability to win a big game... at HOME.

Good point. I am just tired of reading all the posts from the arm chair coaches out there who always have the answer after the fact.

:blink: OK. You have me confused, Head. I agree with SF and if you think he made a good point, then you must agree to put some responsibility on the coach's inability to win a big game.

FYI. While Ben was shooting FTs, I was telling my wife that's there is still too much time and they can't let #12 get the inbounds. However, I fully agree that I'm an arm-chair coach and no more than. And unlike you, I believe you are intitled to your opinion, without being called a chump (that was a poor use of the word as I don't think you were referring us to patsies, push-overs, or soft touches), and questioning someone's fandom who simply has a different view point than yours. I also think the Shocks still have a great shot at winning in St. Louis, so I guess you might just have to put up with me.

I agreed to the fact that we should not ***** about or blame BB for anything. We were presented with an opportunity and did not take advantage of it. The responsibility always belongs with the coach and players, as they are the only ones who can affect the outcome of the game.

However, I do not agree with dissecting every possession that doesn't go our way and putting the blame on HCGM. For example, if you press or double with 4 sec left you can give up a quick pass for an open look. If that happens, undoubtedly there would be posters bashing HCGM. I think the D at the end was solid and resulted in a stop. There was a bad call, it happens. Everyone is entitle to an opinion, but not without criticism. I didn't call anyone specifically a chump (although you can argue i implied it). I hope to see you there, and i know everyone here is a fan, but trashing the coaching staff after a loss is weak and soft (aka chump like).

[SHOXAAC]

Re: Why let Rodriguez have the ball?

Why not call TO after Rags free throws and double him? VCU has no one else that can make that play in 4.9 seconds and there was no time for a pass.


Brutally amazing.

Everyone knew that 4.9 seconds left was just too much time for VCU. This team has had problems stopping dribble drive penetration all year and you knew that either the kid was going to make the layup or get fouled. He got fouled. The replay shows that Ragland touched his arm, if he had just kept his arm straight up and down I don't think the foul would have been called, but his arm was leaning forward and toward Rodriguez and that is all that it took. Sunshine Pumpers, please don't say if we win against MO State then we still have a chance. It is St. Louis or bust.

It is St. Louis or bust. Our bracket just got burst.

The BB is an elimination game and we lost so we are eliminated.

And a win over us is not going to be enough for VCU to get in, so it becomes a double elimination game.

The big winner tonight is another 7th place team in a BCS conference.

I'm getting sick and tired of seeing your lame excuses. If we can't WIN at HOME against VCU, then we DON'T deserve an at-large bid. We already blew three other games at home, two against Top 100 teams.

It's not BB's fault that we're in this position. This was our fault. BB actually would have helped our RPI, helped our schedule, and helped get everyone's eyes on us for two hours tonight. Instead, we flunked again and missed another golden opportunity.

Quit effing blaming the BB and put some responsibility on the team/coach's inability to win a big game... at HOME.

Good point. I am just tired of reading all the posts from the arm chair coaches out there who always have the answer after the fact.

:blink: OK. You have me confused, Head. I agree with SF and if you think he made a good point, then you must agree to put some responsibility on the coach's inability to win a big game.

FYI. While Ben was shooting FTs, I was telling my wife that's there is still too much time and they can't let #12 get the inbounds. However, I fully agree that I'm an arm-chair coach and no more than. And unlike you, I believe you are intitled to your opinion, without being called a chump (that was a poor use of the word as I don't think you were referring us to patsies, push-overs, or soft touches), and questioning someone's fandom who simply has a different view point than yours. I also think the Shocks still have a great shot at winning in St. Louis, so I guess you might just have to put up with me.

I agreed to the fact that we should not ***** about or blame BB for anything. We were presented with an opportunity and did not take advantage of it. The responsibility always belongs with the coach and players, as they are the only ones who can affect the outcome of the game.

However, I do not agree with dissecting every possession that doesn't go our way and putting the blame on HCGM. For example, if you press or double with 4 sec left you can give up a quick pass for an open look. If that happens, undoubtedly there would be posters bashing HCGM. I think the D at the end was solid and resulted in a stop. There was a bad call, it happens. Everyone is entitle to an opinion, but not without criticism. I didn't call anyone specifically a chump (although you can argue i implied it). I hope to see you there, and i know everyone here is a fan, but trashing the coaching staff after a loss is weak and soft (aka chump like).

I don't care what has happened a half ago, 15 minutes ago, or 30 seconds ago, a coach has to make a coaching decision in the CURRENT moment based on logic and common sense. I am not dissecting EVERY possession, I'm dissecting VCU's possession with 4.9 seconds in the game. Although, in general, I like HCGM, but he swung and missed not pressuring 94 feet on Joey Rodriguez. Unlike other posters, I am not critical of him getting the ball, I'm critical that he didn't get pressure until about mid-court. For crying out load, we had been pressuring them 94 feet. And although it didn't necessarily create turnovers, it delayed (TIME OFF THE FRIGGIN CLOCK) there arrival in the scoring area. Rodriguez got within 8 feet of the basket in only 4 seconds. No way that will happen if pressure is delivered at the other end. Marshall's inability to do the right thing put the game in the hands of the very element that is consistently talked about on this and every other fan board in the country. Shame on YOU 3-G. With that said, I am still glad he is our coach, just connect when he swings next time.