Johnny Coy- draft

[tru2thaduce]

Next season is looking good for the Shox.Now after next season we will get devastated by the draft.

[shox1989]

Wow, what a difference 5 days can make….


From Paul Sullentrop’s blog:

August 29, 2009

Baseball America, in an article available to subscribers, lists WSU’s Johnny Coy as one of the top prospects in the MINK League, where Coy played this summer with St. Joseph. The story also says Coy has dropped basketball and will play only baseball at WSU. Not true, according to Coy. “Not true at all,” he said Friday afternoon. Coy was aware of the ranking, but had not read the article. “That’s weird,” he said. Marshall also said Coy remains a member of the team.

September 2, 2009
However, Wichita State’s Johnny Coy is a baseball guy after a meeting Wednesday with basketball coach Gregg Marshall. Coy quit the basketball team.

Until the signing deadline passes, I’m not holding my breath that Johnny will be back in the fall.

hoopnuts- Let it go and get a life. You are digging up old stuff and there is a lot more to the story.

There were lots of postings on shockernet on this subject at the time. It is old news and if you care to find out more of the story you can read the old threads from last year.

I am not a bit worried about Johnny Coy keeping his word under any circumstance. He is a very good guy.

[Ashockalypse]

Johnny is the biggest reminder we have had around here of the early 90s. Him jacking those home runs over the scoreboard says Dreifort, Dreifort, Smith, Lansing, and many others. It will be a giant relief if Johnny comes marching home.

[martymoose]

Re: JC

Every team that talked to JC or his advisor asked one thing. How much will it take to sign you? He decided a long time ago that he would have to be bought out of his sophomore year at WSU. His dollar amount was based on wanting to return to WSU.

So how much was next year worth to him? $1 million? $800,000?

I think I saw the answer to my own question on the news last night. The Royals GM seemed a little pissed when talking about the draft, said all these kids think they're worth a million dollars now days.

[shockfan89_]

Re: JC

Every team that talked to JC or his advisor asked one thing. How much will it take to sign you? He decided a long time ago that he would have to be bought out of his sophomore year at WSU. His dollar amount was based on wanting to return to WSU.

So how much was next year worth to him? $1 million? $800,000?

I think I saw the answer to my own question on the news last night. The Royals GM seemed a little pissed when talking about the draft, said all these kids think they're worth a million dollars now days.

Then maybe they should quit drafting kids out of high school and let them play 4 years of college and only pay the ones that have proven to be quality players rather than drafting (and paying) on potential? What a thought huh?

[Ed Harley]

Smart move to come back. If he goes off next year, he could be 1st rounder (can't teach 6' 8" and athletic) and set for life (with a little discipline and planning). Hopefully he gets to play 1B in summer ball.

If he struggles (very unlikely barring injury), he still has his JR year to fall back on.

Johnny seems to be having fun playing baseball. Glad he settled into something he both likes and excells at!

I hope he keeps his intro music.

[lostshocker]

Re: JC

Then maybe they should quit drafting kids out of high school and let them play 4 years of college and only pay the ones that have proven to be quality players rather than drafting (and paying) on potential? What a thought huh?

not an entirely good thing the way college coaches abuse some of their players. it's gotten a little better but there are pitchers throwing way too many pitches still. in the minors winning is secondary, development is what they are looking for. as for the hitters it puts off their getting acclimated to hitting with a wooden bat for 3-5 more years.

[im4wsu]

Re: JC

Then maybe they should quit drafting kids out of high school and let them play 4 years of college and only pay the ones that have proven to be quality players rather than drafting (and paying) on potential? What a thought huh?

not an entirely good thing the way college coaches abuse some of their players. it's gotten a little better but there are pitchers throwing way too many pitches still. in the minors winning is secondary, development is what they are looking for. as for the hitters it puts off their getting acclimated to hitting with a wooden bat for 3-5 more years.

Maybe if the colleges had the kids drafted out of HS in their programs, they'd find enough quality pitchers to not abuse them? If each team just got one more quality pitcher, that might make a huge difference.

[Ta town]

Thru first 9 games with st. joeseph mustangs Johnny is hitting .500 with 2 hrs and 10 RBI.

[SB Shock]

Re: JC

Then maybe they should quit drafting kids out of high school and let them play 4 years of college and only pay the ones that have proven to be quality players rather than drafting (and paying) on potential? What a thought huh?

not an entirely good thing the way college coaches abuse some of their players. it's gotten a little better but there are pitchers throwing way too many pitches still.

Here is the list of pitchers in college baseball who have been left out on extended pitch count "abused" this season.

http://www.boydsworld.com/data/pitchcount.html

Things have gotten better, especially when data like this is being published in the public domain. Unfortunately you will see WSU on this list because of the depth of the pitching staff required starters to be pushed harder.

[ShockTalk]

Re: JC

Then maybe they should quit drafting kids out of high school and let them play 4 years of college and only pay the ones that have proven to be quality players rather than drafting (and paying) on potential? What a thought huh?

not an entirely good thing the way college coaches abuse some of their players. it's gotten a little better but there are pitchers throwing way too many pitches still.

Here is the list of pitchers in college baseball who have been left out on extended pitch count "abused" this season.

http://www.boydsworld.com/data/pitchcount.html

Things have gotten better, especially when data like this is being published in the public domain. Unfortunately you will see WSU on this list because of the depth of the pitching staff required starters to be pushed harder.

He went to all the trouble to look these up, then didn't use the power of a database that could sort it into something meaningful and readable.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

It does not lose any meaning because you do not like the format.

[SB Shock]

Re: JC

Then maybe they should quit drafting kids out of high school and let them play 4 years of college and only pay the ones that have proven to be quality players rather than drafting (and paying) on potential? What a thought huh?

not an entirely good thing the way college coaches abuse some of their players. it's gotten a little better but there are pitchers throwing way too many pitches still.

Here is the list of pitchers in college baseball who have been left out on extended pitch count "abused" this season.

http://www.boydsworld.com/data/pitchcount.html

Things have gotten better, especially when data like this is being published in the public domain. Unfortunately you will see WSU on this list because of the depth of the pitching staff required starters to be pushed harder.

He went to all the trouble to look these up, then didn't use the power of a database that could sort it into something meaningful and readable.

LOL he doesn't look them up. He does it all by script.

It is in a meaningful format because it is in format that you can easily manipulate to get whatever question you want answered if you have any skills with excel.

He will also likely do a full team report summary.

[Shirley Schmidt]

He went to all the trouble to look these up, then didn't use the power of a database that could sort it into something meaningful and readable.

It is easy to look up and you see the Shockers on there three times, two for Cooper and one for TK.

They never used to be on this list, Brent was concerned about arms, I guess since his recruiting has slipped a bit so have his standards for protecting his pitchers.

It follows the trendline down for the program.

[lostshocker]

that list is a good start to see who abuses pitchers. it tells you who is willing to let their guys throw more pitches but it neglects to show you the next start or two. those 140 pitches arent as bad when you have a week to heal. if he turns around and is on the bump again throwing 100+ pitches 2-3 days later then you have problems. that list also doesnt take into account relievers who are pitching 1-2 innings in every game (k, it just seems to be every game) their team throws. relievers dont throw over 100 pitches an outing.

the ncaa might have gotten something right when they limited the number of games allowed. i'd still like to see around 70 games played with a later ending date but that isnt quite possible.