Where is the big 12

[shockfan89_]

Boston, which one or two valley teams do you suppose would have gotten through, if they couldn't get out of their own "crappy" (your word) conference tournament? Of the 16 teams that did advance, which one or two teams do you think one or two of these valley teams would have advanced? The Shocks were the hottest team in the valley going into the regional, and made a game effort, but still went two and out. I think it's safe to say any other valley team would have suffered the same fate.

You missed the point. The point was the Big 12 was WAY over represented and proved it on the field. This wasn't the year to use the MVC as an example, but the point is valid that someone else should have got 3 or 4 of the bids that went to the Big 12.

The Big 12 went 14-14 while Conference USA only got 3 teams in and went 10-3. The answer to your question is we will never know how another conference would have done if they got 8 teams in instead of the Big 12. All we can say is they couldn't have done any worse. The Big 12 did not prove to be that good when playing outside of their own conference. Even more evidence that RPI is meaningless.

First of all I am no defender of the bcs, I just don't like intellectual dishonesty or missunderstandings in arguments. Rice and E. Carolina were 1 seeds, they are supposed to win, OU and Texas were 1 seeds, only texas won. S. Miss won as a 3 seed but did not beat a big12 team to advance, they beat the 4th place acc team. If you want to compare conference performance compare them with equal seeds at least. When you do that you get these facts.

conf usa- two 1 seeds, both advance
big 12 two 1 seeds , one advances
acc four 1 seeds, three advance
sec three 1 seeds, three advance
big west two 1 seeds, one advance
big east one 1 seed, one advance
pac 10 one 1 seed, one advance

Now looking at this I see that most of the time 1 seeds advance, and when they don't its usually because Arkansas beat Ou.

BIG DEAL!!!!!!

The argument is that the Big 12 got too many teams in, not that they didn't deserve any one seeds. The fact that the Big 12 1 seeds performed worse than any other conference proves what? It sure isn't a "BIG DEAL"! Even using your analysis how are you saying the Big 12 deserved more bids than any of the other conferences? I am not following you.

Also I am not sure what is intellectually dishonest about my post? I provided regional stats (facts) just like you did?

[wichita cat]

Veritas,
Yes I'm a cat fan, I have a son on the team. But I also root hard for the Shocks when they don't play KSU because my son has many former teammates and friends, who incidently are also friends of mine on the team. I would not want the job of selecting tourney teams because someone is always going to be angry. I will say I believe OSU and Baylor were and are better teams than CU and MoSt. Both of those teams won 2 games in the regional, and as I have already posted, I don't think any other valley team would have fared better than WSU. That was and is my point, pure and simple. I have also said before, and repeat it, what is good for any of the Kansas teams is good for the entire state from a baseball standpoint. You didn't bash the Cats in your last post, but you certainly have done so before. But step back and take a look, how many states the size of Kansas put 3 teams in the tourney??? Good showing for our state, and I'm happy for all 3.

[billybud]

Shockcity...you don't follow football do you?

FSU plays BYU in Utah this coming season, played Colorado in Boulder in 2007, played Syracuse in New York..plays Oklahoma in Oklahoma next year and Air Force in Colorado Springs year after....then WVU.

[billybud]

Nope....FSU is like most BCS schools...but usually plays a tougher OOC. You only play four OOC a year (and FSU has an away at Florida every other year as "automatic"). In five years, FSU will have played Florida away either two or three times plus another two or three OOC schools away.

But BCS schools don't travel much in OOC and FSU does about as much as any.

KSU, for instance has travelled to five OOC games in the last five seasons...Kansas has travelled to three OOC games in five seasons.

Nebraska has travelled to three OOC games in five seasons.

[vbird53]

Veritas,
But step back and take a look, how many states the size of Kansas put 3 teams in the tourney??? Good showing for our state, and I'm happy for all 3.

Don't forget about NCAA DII Runner-up Emporia State!!!

[SHOCKvalue]

You all do realize that any committee member, including the chairman, are out of the room during discussion of any team they are connected to in any way and do not vote on those teams, right? I'm sure there are some off the record discussions that may sway a vote or two but I doubt that FKSUADTW had the amount of influence several here have alluded to.

Do you realize the requirements you just described ended as of last year... as in 2008?

The whole "out-of-room" requirements are no more, and did not apply as of what transpired two weeks ago.

EDIT: Missed thread page two when I posted. Thought the above post was the last post in thread. Dur!

[ShockerFever]

You all do realize that any committee member, including the chairman, are out of the room during discussion of any team they are connected to in any way and do not vote on those teams, right? I'm sure there are some off the record discussions that may sway a vote or two but I doubt that FKSUADTW had the amount of influence several here have alluded to.

Do you realize the requirements you just described ended as of last year... as in 2008?

The whole "out-of-room" requirements are no more, and did not apply as of what transpired two weeks ago.

EDIT: Missed thread page two when I posted. Thought the above post was the last post in thread. Dur!

SIT down again. :good:

BS Cat sure gets the SIT down a lot in his frequent visits in here.

[ShockerFever]

What some people fail to realize is this is a WSU board, not a KSU board. If you want everything painted feminine purple, go to the Kitty board. WSU gets bashed there at the Litter Box all the time at a moment's notice. So please, spare all of us.




Anybody else tired of billybud and his continuous postings about Florida State, the BCS, and football? It's getting really old, really quickly.

God, I hope Arkansas sweeps em in two and puts him out of his misery.

GO RAZORBACKS!!!

[shock10]

What you said. Maybe there center fielder can KICK someone.

[William]

Boston, which one or two valley teams do you suppose would have gotten through, if they couldn't get out of their own "crappy" (your word) conference tournament? Of the 16 teams that did advance, which one or two teams do you think one or two of these valley teams would have advanced? The Shocks were the hottest team in the valley going into the regional, and made a game effort, but still went two and out. I think it's safe to say any other valley team would have suffered the same fate.

You missed the point. The point was the Big 12 was WAY over represented and proved it on the field. This wasn't the year to use the MVC as an example, but the point is valid that someone else should have got 3 or 4 of the bids that went to the Big 12.

The Big 12 went 14-14 while Conference USA only got 3 teams in and went 10-3. The answer to your question is we will never know how another conference would have done if they got 8 teams in instead of the Big 12. All we can say is they couldn't have done any worse. The Big 12 did not prove to be that good when playing outside of their own conference. Even more evidence that RPI is meaningless.

First of all I am no defender of the bcs, I just don't like intellectual dishonesty or missunderstandings in arguments. Rice and E. Carolina were 1 seeds, they are supposed to win, OU and Texas were 1 seeds, only texas won. S. Miss won as a 3 seed but did not beat a big12 team to advance, they beat the 4th place acc team. If you want to compare conference performance compare them with equal seeds at least. When you do that you get these facts.

conf usa- two 1 seeds, both advance
big 12 two 1 seeds , one advances
acc four 1 seeds, three advance
sec three 1 seeds, three advance
big west two 1 seeds, one advance
big east one 1 seed, one advance
pac 10 one 1 seed, one advance

Now looking at this I see that most of the time 1 seeds advance, and when they don't its usually because Arkansas beat Ou.

BIG DEAL!!!!!!

The argument is that the Big 12 got too many teams in, not that they didn't deserve any one seeds. The fact that the Big 12 1 seeds performed worse than any other conference proves what? It sure isn't a "BIG DEAL"! Even using your analysis how are you saying the Big 12 deserved more bids than any of the other conferences? I am not following you.

Also I am not sure what is intellectually dishonest about my post? I provided regional stats (facts) just like you did?

89 I always enjoy your posts, and most of all your decorum. What I'm trying to say is that the argument that a conference underperformed and was overepresented cannot be made here because six of their 8 teams were not 1 seeds, therefore they are not expected to advance. It is very unlikely for any conference to ever advance consistently a high percentage of 2,3,4 seeds.

[ShockerFever]

Well according to another great Willie theory, I guess when determining how well conferences do in NCAA basketball can only be based on what the four No.1 seeds do... Since they're the only ones favored to get to the Final Four.

[Veritas]

Veritas,
Yes I'm a cat fan, I have a son on the team. But I also root hard for the Shocks when they don't play KSU because my son has many former teammates and friends, who incidently are also friends of mine on the team. I would not want the job of selecting tourney teams because someone is always going to be angry. I will say I believe OSU and Baylor were and are better teams than CU and MoSt. Both of those teams won 2 games in the regional, and as I have already posted, I don't think any other valley team would have fared better than WSU. That was and is my point, pure and simple. I have also said before, and repeat it, what is good for any of the Kansas teams is good for the entire state from a baseball standpoint. You didn't bash the Cats in your last post, but you certainly have done so before. But step back and take a look, how many states the size of Kansas put 3 teams in the tourney??? Good showing for our state, and I'm happy for all 3.

W'Cat,
Fair enough. I too am happy that the state of Kansas had 3 Div I teams in the tourney. Additionally, I've never said that K-State was not deserving. They were.
What I AM saying is that Weiser-heimer's decision highlights what I've been saying in the past. That certain BCS schools can ride the coat-tails of the BCS and RPI ratings to gain an unfair advantage in seedings, and in OSU and Baylor's case actually get invited. There are some schools in BCS conferences that earn their way and others that simply don't.
Look, I don't care for the Valley. I wish the Shox would leave. But teams such as MSU already have the deck stacked against them and it torques me off to see an OSU type team get invited over them simply because of their inflated RPI, BCS membership, and a "Weiser" type who doesn't care enough about the overall success of college baseball.

Re my past comments on K-State:
I don't hate K-State. I just don't "get" K-State.

[Ashockalypse]

85

Your clairvoyance is astonishing. You are able to be completely certain that the Valley wouldn't advance one team. Please register your predictions for the future and save us all the need to have the games played.

[William]

85

Your clairvoyance is astonishing. You are able to be completely certain that the Valley wouldn't advance one team. Please register your predictions for the future and save us all the need to have the games played.

Yeah, he's way out on a limb with that one. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[ShockerFever]

Anyone ever notice how Willie only posts on BCS/Big 12 related threads?