Where is the big 12

[pogo]

What happened? 9 teams into the tourney and one advances to the supers. The selection committee looks really good in those selections. Shoot I'd let Weiser choose the basketball teams for next year. What a Joke.

[martymoose]

Did they advance anyone last year? I know WSU was still playing after all the B12 teams were gone...

[BostonWu]

As crappy as the MVC was this year I bet it could get at least 1 maybe 2 teams to the Supers with 9 chances (especially host sites).

[ShockerFever]

Actually only 8 made it. 1 is still left... barely.

Better luck next time Mr. Weiser.

[martymoose]

Actually only 8 made it. 1 is still left... barely.

Better luck next time Mr. Weiser.

Actually 2 left out, right? But who's counting?

[billybud]

Only Texas is left marty...by the hair on their chinny chin chin.

[martymoose]

Only Texas is left marty...by the hair on their chinny chin chin.

I know, I said how many were left OUT... I miss read Shockfever's post.

[wichita cat]

Boston, which one or two valley teams do you suppose would have gotten through, if they couldn't get out of their own "crappy" (your word) conference tournament? Of the 16 teams that did advance, which one or two teams do you think one or two of these valley teams would have advanced? The Shocks were the hottest team in the valley going into the regional, and made a game effort, but still went two and out. I think it's safe to say any other valley team would have suffered the same fate.

[BostonWu]

Give 8 Valley teams a crack and I’d imagine at least 1 could get hot and perhaps luck into a regional win, especially if you involve regional hosts into the equation. WSU/MSU/CU would be more than capable of winning a regional at home against the Austin seeds 2-4. Given the home cooking served up by Chef Weiser it’s astounding the B12 only batted .125

[shockall]

Give 8 Valley teams a crack and I’d imagine at least 1 could get hot and perhaps luck into a regional win, especially if you involve regional hosts into the equation. WSU/MSU/CU would be more than capable of winning a regional at home against the Austin seeds 2-4. Given the home cooking served up by Chef Weiser it’s astounding the B12 only batted .125

I think I'll leave "luck" to the fantasy baseball fanatics.

If you accept the Shockers at near the top of the MVC this year, you should then look at their record against B12 opponents this past season. I don't think we faired that well.

[Shocker85]

Give 8 Valley teams a crack and I’d imagine at least 1 could get hot and perhaps luck into a regional win, especially if you involve regional hosts into the equation. WSU/MSU/CU would be more than capable of winning a regional at home against the Austin seeds 2-4. Given the home cooking served up by Chef Weiser it’s astounding the B12 only batted .125

I completely disagree. MVC baseball in 2009 was poor, poor, poor.

The pitching around the league was far below a typical season. Only Cooper, Lowell, and Kelley were sub-3.00 ERA and no team was sub-4.00. The gross lack of pitching depth would have doomed each and every team vs. any team that made the tournament. Having WSU in the tournament actually gave the MVC the best shot at winning a regional game due to the top 3 pitchers plus Flynn, Johnson, and Sossaman out of the 'pen.

The batting around the MVC wasn't much better. Only two teams batted above .300 (one at .317 and one at .301) and that against all the bad pitching.

I though Indiana State was the best hitting team overall but their pitching was just deadful. 5.94 ERA,.301 B/Avg, and 1.66 Whip. Ouch. They scored the most runs per game, but gave up about 6.41 per game. Against NCAA tournament caliber hitting, it would be 12 runs per game.

MoSt had the most pop in their line-up and so-so pitching. Their *stellar* .961 fielding percantage was .001 from the bottom. Plus, they have an idiot for a coach.

Creighton might have been able to be competitive, but their starting pitching was ... well ... yuck. Their offense full of punch and judy hitters plus Darin Ruf wouldn't have been able to score more that 3-4 runs per game - not enough to overcome their mediocre (at best) pitching.

The rest of the teams just plain suck.

No, not a single team in the MVC would have advanced, even if they had played at home and even if they had gotten lucky.

--'85.

[Veritas]

Boston, which one or two valley teams do you suppose would have gotten through, if they couldn't get out of their own "crappy" (your word) conference tournament? Of the 16 teams that did advance, which one or two teams do you think one or two of these valley teams would have advanced? The Shocks were the hottest team in the valley going into the regional, and made a game effort, but still went two and out. I think it's safe to say any other valley team would have suffered the same fate.

W'Cat: If he wasn't the former KSU AD, you'd have to agree that he made a very poor and subjective decision.
MSU deserved to get in over OSU and Baylor IMO. Weiser-heimer chose poorly - very poorly. He's simply the wrong guy in the wrong job at the wrong time in the wrong conference. It's simply wrong! No other way to spin it.

[vbird53]

Boston, which one or two valley teams do you suppose would have gotten through, if they couldn't get out of their own "crappy" (your word) conference tournament? Of the 16 teams that did advance, which one or two teams do you think one or two of these valley teams would have advanced? The Shocks were the hottest team in the valley going into the regional, and made a game effort, but still went two and out. I think it's safe to say any other valley team would have suffered the same fate.

W'Cat: If he wasn't the former KSU AD, you'd have to agree that he made a very poor and subjective decision.
MSU deserved to get in over OSU and Baylor IMO. Weiser-heimer chose poorly - very poorly. He's simply the wrong guy in the wrong job at the wrong time in the wrong conference. It's simply wrong! No other way to spin it.

All I'm going to say is that it wasn't Weiser's fault that so many Big 12 teams were in the field. If I were in his shoes, as an administrator for the Big 12, I'd sure like to see as many Big 12 teams in the field as well. The problem is that he, and the rest of the committee were in the position to make that call in the first place.

I've said this many times on this board: it screams conflict of interest when a person representing an institution or conference is making these decisions. There are many others out there that would have a vested interest in the good of the game that they could easily field a committee that does not have that same vested interest.

[wichita cat]

Veritas,
I asked a valid question in regard to someone elses comment. Not surprised with my screen name and your anit-purple colored glasses you came out. The Shocks were the ONLY team from the valley that had a chance to do anything in the tournament. Their pitching competed well, but they simply were not good enough to go further. Other than that, you can bash Weiser and KSU all you want, I don't care, and I'm right about the Shocks.

[martymoose]

Well, WSU has out lasted the entire B12 field the last 2 years, maybe he thought by putting 8 B12 teams in vs. the worst WSU team in 32 years they'd stand a better chance....and they did! One made it further! That's a true accomplishment.