The 2009 BCS Baseball Tournament

[William]

I am only interested in seeing the teams that proved they were in the top 64 by some measure. If that means Fresno is kept out so be it. It is more likely that teams kept out of the tournament by auto bids every year would be more competitive and more apt to have a Fresno like story if that is what you want. 64 teams is a lot of teams if you can't crack that number... sorry dude!

[shockfan89_]

I am only interested in seeing the teams that proved they were in the top 64 by some measure. If that means Fresno is kept out so be it. It is more likely that teams kept out of the tournament by auto bids every year would be more competitive and more apt to have a Fresno like story if that is what you want. 64 teams is a lot of teams if you can't crack that number... sorry dude!

I agree with the last sentence. I don't think anyone would have felt we deserved a bid if we didn't win the MVC Tournament. We just didn't play good enough all year to deserve it. My only question is how do you determine the top 64 teams? It sure doesn't mean 10 from the Big 12 and SEC and 8 from the ACC and PAC 10 and then the rest of the country shares 28 bids.

I would like to see them come up with a non conference SOS, RPI and record against top 25/50/100 and use those numbers. This would force these power conferences to play good teams outside of your conference and would not give the warm weather schools a big RPI advantage from playing at home early in the year against cold weather schools and then building their RPIs by playing each other in conference play. Basically your conference wouldn't help you or hurt you other than a win or a loss. If you are an Oklahoma State or a Baylor and your non conference RPI is in the top 30 how can you argue they don't belong in the tournament?

[William]

If the big 10 has 10 of the best 64 in the country, I say it would be rediculous for them not to all get in. What are we trying to do here, do you want some deal where every kid gets a trophy and we don't keep score kinda thing. If we are trying to identify the best team in the country lets invite the best 64 and settle it on the field. Let the NCAA determine who everybody plays in the non-con, that way small conf. don't get squeezed out and the committee can get a read on everybody.

The biggest problem we in Wichita have is if the big conf. team figure out that they can squeeze us and teams like us out if none of them will play us. That would leave us with a bad rpi I would guess and nothing we could do about it. As the big conf.s keep focusing more and more on baseball this problem may become inevitable. Recruiting to come here with no big names on the schedule would get real tough.

[shockkansas]

Veritas wrote: "k-state has benefited from bcs bs over the years". Very wrong. The one time KSU went to a BCS bowl game was when they won the Big 12. KU cant say that, hell, they didn't even win the north. When KSU won the north as #1 in the nation, then lost on a fluke, they fell off the earth. As far as baseball, an argument could be made if the big 12 didn't get OSU and Baylor in, maybe KSU would be hosting.

[shockfan89_]

If the big 10 has 10 of the best 64 in the country, I say it would be rediculous for them not to all get in. What are we trying to do here, do you want some deal where every kid gets a trophy and we don't keep score kinda thing. If we are trying to identify the best team in the country lets invite the best 64 and settle it on the field. Let the NCAA determine who everybody plays in the non-con, that way small conf. don't get squeezed out and the committee can get a read on everybody.

The biggest problem we in Wichita have is if the big conf. team figure out that they can squeeze us and teams like us out if none of them will play us. That would leave us with a bad rpi I would guess and nothing we could do about it. As the big conf.s keep focusing more and more on baseball this problem may become inevitable. Recruiting to come here with no big names on the schedule would get real tough.

I agree all 10 should get in. Let's just make sure they are all 10 of the best teams and not 3 or 4 of the best teams making all the other teams look good. Most of the time when the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 have had 7 or 8 teams in the regionals they haven't done any better than any other conference which would seem to prove that only 3 or 4 teams should have gotten in.

[William]

If the big 10 has 10 of the best 64 in the country, I say it would be rediculous for them not to all get in. What are we trying to do here, do you want some deal where every kid gets a trophy and we don't keep score kinda thing. If we are trying to identify the best team in the country lets invite the best 64 and settle it on the field. Let the NCAA determine who everybody plays in the non-con, that way small conf. don't get squeezed out and the committee can get a read on everybody.

The biggest problem we in Wichita have is if the big conf. team figure out that they can squeeze us and teams like us out if none of them will play us. That would leave us with a bad rpi I would guess and nothing we could do about it. As the big conf.s keep focusing more and more on baseball this problem may become inevitable. Recruiting to come here with no big names on the schedule would get real tough.

I agree all 10 should get in. Let's just make sure they are all 10 of the best teams and not 3 or 4 of the best teams making all the other teams look good. Most of the time when the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 have had 7 or 8 teams in the regionals they haven't done any better than any other conference which would seem to prove that only 3 or 4 teams should have gotten in.

I think your last point proves the opposite, in other words if a conf. gets 7 or 8 and performs equally with other conf.s then the committee got it right.
If a conf. gets crushed every year in the tournament then I would think they might be getting too many in.

[shockfan89_]

If a conference gets 7 or 8 in and advances 2 to the supers and a different conference gets 2 teams in and advances 1 to the supers then i would say the conference with 7 or 8 was over represented. A lot of times the teams from the SEC, ACC and Big 12 are some of the first ones out going 0-2 indicating they shouldn't have been there.

[kcshocker11]

So lets see, who decides these 64 the same ones that put OK St and Baylor in?

[William]

If a conference gets 7 or 8 in and advances 2 to the supers and a different conference gets 2 teams in and advances 1 to the supers then i would say the conference with 7 or 8 was over represented. A lot of times the teams from the SEC, ACC and Big 12 are some of the first ones out going 0-2 indicating they shouldn't have been there.

I think the only way to fairly judge the issue you bring up is to compare conf. results by seed. If a small conference like ours sends us as a 1 or 2 seed, compare our results against SEC teams that went in as a 1 or 2 seed, if there still is the same descrepancy then I would think you have a point.

[ShockerFever]

William... I noticed you ignored my question...

If willie's ridiculous idea came to fruition, god forbid, then we'd be in trouble. The BCS schools would then just schedule other BCS schools in the non-con (kinda what they do now anyways) and then play other BCS schools in their conference. The NCAA regionals would basically become what the NCAA basketball tournament was from the No.12 seeds on down - a BCS only tournament.

In nearly every tournament ever performed in any sport, the art of the upset and the 'little guy' is what makes a tournament worth watching. There would never be no Fresno State, no Wichita Sate winning national championships without the little guy from a weak conference. There would be no upsets or no cinderellas. It would be good BCS teams matched up against crappy BCS teams.

Gee william, do you have a spot on the NCAA selection committee?

I'm embarrassed for you and your association with this site.

[William]

William... I noticed you ignored my question...

If willie's ridiculous idea came to fruition, god forbid, then we'd be in trouble. The BCS schools would then just schedule other BCS schools in the non-con (kinda what they do now anyways) and then play other BCS schools in their conference. The NCAA regionals would basically become what the NCAA basketball tournament was from the No.12 seeds on down - a BCS only tournament.

In nearly every tournament ever performed in any sport, the art of the upset and the 'little guy' is what makes a tournament worth watching. There would never be no Fresno State, no Wichita Sate winning national championships without the little guy from a weak conference. There would be no upsets or no cinderellas. It would be good BCS teams matched up against crappy BCS teams.

Gee william, do you have a spot on the NCAA selection committee?

I'm embarrassed for you and your association with this site.

You apparently think "little" teams like WSU wouldn't qualify under the best 64 method, I wholeheartedly dissagree and am embarrassed for you sport. Being from a small conf. doesn't mean you can't be good and it doesn't mean you wouldn't qualify for the regionals. Hell there are small schools that get at-large bids every year. What have you got against the best 64 teams in the country playing off.

[William]

If rhode Island wants to compete for championships, they ought to try another Ncaa division.

[ShockerFever]

William... I noticed you ignored my question...

If willie's ridiculous idea came to fruition, god forbid, then we'd be in trouble. The BCS schools would then just schedule other BCS schools in the non-con (kinda what they do now anyways) and then play other BCS schools in their conference. The NCAA regionals would basically become what the NCAA basketball tournament was from the No.12 seeds on down - a BCS only tournament.

In nearly every tournament ever performed in any sport, the art of the upset and the 'little guy' is what makes a tournament worth watching. There would never be no Fresno State, no Wichita Sate winning national championships without the little guy from a weak conference. There would be no upsets or no cinderellas. It would be good BCS teams matched up against crappy BCS teams.

Gee william, do you have a spot on the NCAA selection committee?

I'm embarrassed for you and your association with this site.

You apparently think "little" teams like WSU wouldn't qualify under the best 64 method, I wholeheartedly dissagree and am embarrassed for you sport. Being from a small conf. doesn't mean you can't be good and it doesn't mean you wouldn't qualify for the regionals. Hell there are small schools that get at-large bids every year. What have you got against the best 64 teams in the country playing off.

WSU is a major player in college baseball now, but if we had it your way about 30 years ago, they would have never been able to attain what they have now. Seems kinda snobbish and unfair to me.

So since you won't answer it, I'll continue to ask it until you do..

I guess we should just eliminate 2/3 of the Division I conferences huh?

[William]

William... I noticed you ignored my question...

If willie's ridiculous idea came to fruition, god forbid, then we'd be in trouble. The BCS schools would then just schedule other BCS schools in the non-con (kinda what they do now anyways) and then play other BCS schools in their conference. The NCAA regionals would basically become what the NCAA basketball tournament was from the No.12 seeds on down - a BCS only tournament.

In nearly every tournament ever performed in any sport, the art of the upset and the 'little guy' is what makes a tournament worth watching. There would never be no Fresno State, no Wichita Sate winning national championships without the little guy from a weak conference. There would be no upsets or no cinderellas. It would be good BCS teams matched up against crappy BCS teams.

Gee william, do you have a spot on the NCAA selection committee?

I'm embarrassed for you and your association with this site.

You apparently think "little" teams like WSU wouldn't qualify under the best 64 method, I wholeheartedly dissagree and am embarrassed for you sport. Being from a small conf. doesn't mean you can't be good and it doesn't mean you wouldn't qualify for the regionals. Hell there are small schools that get at-large bids every year. What have you got against the best 64 teams in the country playing off.

WSU is a major player in college baseball now, but if we had it your way about 30 years ago, they would have never been able to attain what they have now. Seems kinda snobbish and unfair to me.

So since you won't answer it, I'll continue to ask it until you do..

I guess we should just eliminate 2/3 of the Division I conferences huh?

Ok I'm going to go slow for you this time so that you see your question is answered. What I propose is that you have an ncaa committee establish a fair way to rank division 1 teams. The committee looks at the seasons of every team in div. 1 baseball and runs them through their agreed upon criteria. The committee comes up with a final ranking for all of div. 1 baseball and invites the top 64 to the tournament. Then those 64 play until we identify the best team in the country. I want you to notice that conference affilliation has nothing to do with the evaluation criteria or the final rankings, therefore none of the teams in any of the conferences would be eliminated by anything but poor performance.

[KC Shox]

William, the big problem with your arguement is logistics. If it were up to you, the 64 teams in the regionals would most certainly come from southern programs. And any northern programs would most certainly come from BCS conferences, like Louisville, Nebraska and Oregon State for example.

There is not a lot of money placed in baseball for non-BCS programs. So, if you want the best 64 teams to be in the regional, this would mean that teams from non-BCS programs such as Temple or Rhode Island to travel a thousand of miles down south to play BCS teams during the midweek and early portion of the season.

That ain't gonna happen and really, how fair is that. Hell, we can't get Arkansas or Texas to come to Wichita and play us. From a financial, logistical and pratical standpoint, it is just not feasible for non-BCS programs to schedule as tough as the southern BCS programs. So I say the auto bids from these conferences need to stay to make things somewhat equal.

Otherwise, the rich would get richer and the poor would get poorer. This already occurs in football with the good ol' boy system, I just hope it never reaches baseball and basketball.