Final top 25 rankings

[William]

and the education continues

[SpanglerFan316]

Re Nolan's NPI...if you look, all the teams are ranked solely on their winning percentage...SOS may be listed for information purposes but there does not appear to be a mathmatical adjustment...there appears to be no algorithimn..just a straight line ranking on winning percentage...useless.

It doesn't look like "all the teams are ranked solely on their winning percentage".
School: Winning Percentage Ranking: NPI ranking:
UC Irvine 20 10
Oklahoma State 20 14
Georgia Tech 32 22
Texas 44 23
Charlotte 10 25
Stanford 53 29
Missouri State 19 33
Clemson 120 66
Nevada 94 137

http://www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2008/npi

Maybe you didn't mean what you wrote? Are you confused?

[SpanglerFan316]

and the education continues

For whom? :D :lol:

[ShockerFever]

I think someone has a mancrush on billy..

[billybud]

LOFL....I'm happy that you like Nolan's NPI

In rating conferences on NPI, he does have the ACC as the #1 conference...that looks about right, I reckon you agree?

He has the Missouri Valley conference behind the Colonial Athletic, Sunbelt, Southern, etc...at the #12 conference...looks about right, don't you agree?

Yeah..he uses SOS, but not to any real degree...Canesius (SOS of #245) is ahead of WSU (SOS of 45)...what you think? That WSU's 45-17 record is worse than Canesius' 40-13? Considering that, at SOS #245, Canesius played a schedule similar to some Florida high schools.

I don't buy Nolan's NPI....regardless of how "right" he is about the ACC, about Miami, FSU, North Carolina, finishing #1, 2, and 3..etc.

[William]

and the education continues

For whom? :D :lol:

for you of course, pay attention now sugar!

[SpanglerFan316]

LOFL....I'm happy that you like Nolan's NPI

In rating conferences on NPI, he does have the ACC as the #1 conference...that looks about right, I reckon you agree?

He has the Missouri Valley conference behind the Colonial Athletic, Sunbelt, Southern, etc...at the #12 conference...looks about right, don't you agree?

Yeah..he uses SOS, but not to any real degree...Canesius (SOS of #245) is ahead of WSU (SOS of 45)...what you think? That WSU's 45-17 record is worse than Canesius' 40-13? Considering that, at SOS #245, Canesius played a schedule similar to some Florida high schools.

I don't buy Nolan's NPI....regardless of how "right" he is about the ACC, about Miami, FSU, North Carolina, finishing #1, 2, and 3..etc.

I never said Nolan was perfect or even correct. I think Boyd's ranking and Nolan's ranking both have flaws. Heck they don't even agree on RPIs. I offered my personal opinion of which system I prefer and distrust less. if I'm wrong ... :D

[SpanglerFan316]

and the education continues

For whom? :D :lol:

for you of course, pay attention now sugar!

Well, I didn't write "there appears to be no algorithimn..just a straight line ranking on winning percentage." An actually comparison of winning percentage rankings and NPI rankings shows that that statement was incorrect. I wonder who wrote that???

Maybe someone needs to improve his reading skills, Billy. ;-) :lol:

[billybud]

I guess I should have used my language in the previous post..

"I should like the Nolan NPI...it does have Miami as #1 and and North Carolina at #2, with FSU at #3...But..it seems heavily loaded towards winning percentage"

He does use the SOS, or so his chart maintains..but in some cockamamy manner that does nothing. Unless you really believe that Canesius was so much stronger than Rice. .

How does he reconcile an SOS of #245 with a team who plays with an SOS of #12 (Rice)? He doesn't. Not successfully. How is Canesius stronger than the Shockers?

I think that some guys are too lazy to question what he is doing..(I admit I couldn't see he was using SOS in an algorithimn... and that I still don't).

But, I do recognize the complete silliness of what he has done with Canesius, Oral Roberts, and Coastal Carolina...and that throws a pall over his whole system.

[SpanglerFan316]

But, I do recognize the complete silliness of what he has done with Canesius, Oral Roberts, and Coastal Carolina

I am in complete agreement with you on this point. What you fail to do is look at the failings of Boyd's system. In the end, it doesn't really matter; it's the summer and we're waiting for the big fall sport - volleyball!!! :D

[William]

The best predictor of a top-caliber team that can be gleaned from nolans site is in the nitty gritty report, teams with a winning percentage of .650 against the top 50 tend to be the best and end up in omaha, nothing else really matters. If a team can't consistently beat the top 50, hosting regionals, win-loss records, sos, and rankings really don't do them any good in the post-season. Occasionally a team like fresno comes through, but I wouldn't go to vegas making bets that things like that will happen very often.

[billybud]

I am in complete agreement with you on this point. What you fail to do is look at the failings of Boyd's system. In the end, it doesn't really matter; it's the summer and we're waiting for the big fall sport - volleyball!!!

I don't follow Boyd either....there is not a "system" without a lot of discussion points. I generally look at teams that win against some good teams....and I know that "good" is subjective and subject to bias. We all tend to think more highly of teams with which we have some familiarity.

But, if they beat 'em in the Regionals, beat 'em in the Super Regionals, you have an idea that a team can play ball (if only for that time period).

Now that track and baseball have wound out. yep, fall sports are on the way...

Down here, we are already playing women's soccer and volleyball...but who cares? Football is looming.