10 YEARS OF THE 64 TEAM TOURNAMENT

[William]

You guys are really discussing two separate measures of success....

1...a measure of highest achievement...

Example...a horse that ran 50 times and was in the back in 48 of those races, but was first place twice, is still a two time winner. But not very consistantly good.

2...a measure of consistancy...

...a horse that ran 50 times and placed 45 of those fifty but never won...is a zero time winner...but more consistant.

There is no "right" measure..just different ways to view a horse.

Thank you billybud, some of these guys don't understand that merely counting up who won championships the last ten years would not tell you nearly as much as these statistics do.

[ISASO]

Is there a limit to the number of teams who can be at a certain level? Can't FSU, WSU and Oregon State be mid or upper tier?

Each program's accomplishments are substantial in different ways. Maybe if OrSU fails to make a Regional for each of the next 5 years or so they should drop a tier because consistency does matter.

Consider Missouri State by comparison. They went from basically nothing to the CWS (2&Q) in 2003 then back to nothing since. They certainly aren't upper-tier and probably not even mid-tier.

WSU and FSU are pretty much upper-tier due to consistency while OrSU is definitely upper-tier for now until a lack of consistency getting to Regionals pushes them down.

It shouldn't be too hard to make the case that the programs consistently going to Regionals and occasionally making a Super are upper-tier. After all, consider how many total teams there are in college baseball. Wouldn't the top 20% be upper-tier?

[William]

ISASO don't take this wrong but your posts strikes me funny, like the first time a friends high school aged kid tried to explain to me how he got a 4.25 grade point average. But anyhow you are a great poster and a gentleman, so what group do you want me to put wsu in and I'll change it.

[RoyalShock]

. . . like the first time a friends high school aged kid tried to explain to me how he got a 4.25 grade point average.

Back up the bus. Are you saying the manner in which it was explained was funny or that he could have gotten a 4.25 gpa was funny? Your answer could explain a lot.

[ISASO]

William, all three in question should be upper-tier. Glad I could make this easy for you.

Royal, I don't know what he could have found that was funny and I'm not reallly concerned enough to delve into his thinking. Life is too short.

[ShockerFever]

I honestlly think William is a closet K-State fan in hiding.

[William]

. . . like the first time a friends high school aged kid tried to explain to me how he got a 4.25 grade point average.

Back up the bus. Are you saying the manner in which it was explained was funny or that he could have gotten a 4.25 gpa was funny? Your answer could explain a lot.

The notion that you can get a 4.25 gpa on a 4.0 scale is funny, I don't care who you are!

[RoyalShock]

The notion that you can get a 4.25 gpa on a 4.0 scale is funny, I don't care who you are!

So you do or don't understand how it is possible?

[William]

I have made the corrections to the original post, I know this is a little late in the game, but I just want to restore my credibility with shocker fans and prove that I am behind this program 100%, because this is all really about the kids and their growth, sportsmanship, and competition. I have seen the error of my ways, I have been a dunce, an idiot etc. I now see thanks to some very special posters that it is true, the fighting irish, oops I mean the shockers have earned the right to be in group one and I will take to task any man who dissagrees!

[William]

The notion that you can get a 4.25 gpa on a 4.0 scale is funny, I don't care who you are!

So you do or don't understand how it is possible?

OH it's possible alright, in the public school system at least.

[RoyalShock]

OH it's possible alright, in the public school system at least.

Why do I get the sense you are evading a direct answer because you're not really sure?

Oh well, never mind.

[William]

ok, here is my view of the gpa thing, first I realize they hand out gpas over 4.o, My point is that it is silly and unecessary, there is no higher grade in my opinion then an A therefore there should be no higher gpa than a 4.0 period, dissagree if you like but all this is really about is students and parents probably parents mostly who want to turn their kids gpa from 3.8 to 4.0 for their college applications. It is the liberal mentality that everyone must be a winner so nobody gets their feelings hurt. My view is that true growth and potential for success comes out of lessons learned from failing or coming up short from time to time.

[SHOCKvalue]

I was told that if I had used proper punctuation, grammar, and a spell check in high school, I would have certainly earned a 4.25. How about you, William?

[RoyalShock]

ok, here is my view of the gpa thing, first I realize they hand out gpas over 4.o, My point is that it is silly and unecessary, there is no higher grade in my opinion then an A therefore there should be no higher gpa than a 4.0 period, dissagree if you like but all this is really about is students and parents probably parents mostly who want to turn their kids gpa from 3.8 to 4.0 for their college applications. It is the liberal mentality that everyone must be a winner so nobody gets their feelings hurt. My view is that true growth and potential for success comes out of lessons learned from failing or coming up short from time to time.

What I was trying to determine was if you were laughing at something because you were ignorant or didn't understand it. That can go a long way in determining credibility particularly considering you linked it to someone else's posts.

As to a 4.0+ GPA, it doesn't have anything to do with the "liberal mentality" (of which I am not), but to "normalize" the GPA for those students who take advanced placement classes, which will ultimately factor in when applying for college scholarships.

I'm glad you did explain your viewpoint, because it sheds some light on how you view numbers (statistics) and the meaning behind them.

[rayc]

Without offering my opinion on gpa’s, I offer the following link for your amusement – yes this is on a 4 point scale. The 6+ and 7+ gpa’s are not a misprint.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/18/Hillsborough/The_Top_of_the_Classes.shtml

If I recall correctly the gpa’s this past year were even higher. Regardless of your philosophy, the inflation of gpa’s in some Florida counties seems a little excessive.

Based on the NCAA sliding scale of ACT/SAT scores, I wonder if a Hillsborough County (Tampa) high school athlete even has to take them to qualify at Florida, FSU of USF? :lol: :lol:

I found humorous an ad by USF touting the average 3.71 gpa of incoming freshmen, the majority of course, coming from Tampa. :shock: