How Sweet Is Karma?

[lostshocker]

what constitutes "mid-tier", "top tier" and "low tier"? would being #8 in wins at the CWS get you a spot in the top tier level? what happens if you happen to have only been to one CWS since 86? does your conference affiliation affect it? would schools in the big west conference be "top tier"? it just so happens to house a school that has been to 15 CWS and won it all 4 times.

being knowledgeable goes both ways. yes, wsu isnt as well known to the casual baseball fan but to those who know they are quite well known. fsu is basically more known due to the division the ncaa has caused in basketball and football with its BcS schools/conferences.

[ABC]

There isn't an objective measure that puts WSU baseball as mid-tier.

From 1988 to 1996, WSU was certainly elite. Six CWS and three national championship games and one national championship in nine years has been duplicated by few teams in the last 30 years.

Has FSU ever done that? Me thinks not.

[bballfan]

This is a low tier thread.

[ShockerFever]

"Minus this year, when was the last time LSU did anything 'top-tier'? Hell, did they even make the tourney last year? "


Huh?

LSU won the National Championship in 1991, 1993, 1996, 1997, 2000...

LSU is in the Top 10 in CWS wins...

LSU has won five national championships since Arizona State (a recognized top tier team has won one)

LSU (and I see the cause for bitterness) put WSU out in two of the CWS final games in the early 90's. LSU is 5-0 in CWS championship games/

In 2001, LSU was one of three schools to hve gone three straight years to the Super Regionals (which started in '99)///LSU came out of their Regional again in 2004...

Most of the country sees LSU as one of the elite programs...
LSU might have been gone for a while...but they made it back this year...they have history, and it isn't all a decade old yet.

Ahh.. and that is the point. kcshocker hit it. If LSU is considered top-tier, then how are we considered mid-tier? LSU has an excellent baseball history. I'm not stupid. So does WSU. Yes I know, not quite as good as LSU's, but still good. But then you look at Johnny come lately. Last year, they didn't even make it to regionals... and they're from the effing SEC... where you just have to take the field to make the regionals... and yet they didn't. You talked about wanting consistency.. well, there ya go. When was the last time LSU hosted a regional prior to this year?

Jesus. Some of you need to learn how to comprehend. I'm not denying LSU to being a top-tier baseball school for God's sake. I'm squarely going back to the point of billy boy calling WSU a 'mid-tier', or whatever the hell that means. I'd say we've done ok, considering the weak conference we're in, the proximity to good competition that surrounds us, the geography, etc. We don't have the luxuries an FSU has, and yet we still hold our own.

To come onto our board and call us 'mid-tier' is, to me and judging by the subsequent responses, a slap in the face and wreaks of ignorance.

And back to the subject at hand.. what's FSU's record at the thing that matters the most, the CWS, again? ..

[ShockerFever]

LOL...sorry guys. Reflexive action.

As an old Marine, I fire back on a back azimuth when there is incoming.

When you flame a guys team, expect a round or two. But that was sort of a spotter round.....

Mid tier teams are those that, every now and again, can move out of their tournaments and go to Omaha. They'll have a good year every now and then.

Top tier are guys like Arizona State, LSU. Texas...they beat the competition and get to Omaha often.

Remember which "country" you are in before firing off any subsequent rounds of counterfire. This isn't warchant.com.

Minus this year, when was the last time LSU did anything 'top-tier'? Hell, did they even make the tourney last year?

Gee, top-tier teams don't even have to make regionals to be called 'top-tier'. How funny..

You can't be serious??? LSU freaking won the last three college world series we were in!...and two more! Guys, we are making ourselves look stupid. I need to take a break for a few weeks.

Reading comprehension + less ignorance = more credibility

[shockandawe08]

billy bud,

I believe in order for Coach Morris to be "caught" in the "spygate" you refer to, there would have to be some hard proof. As it was, the matter was investigated and found to be unsubstantiated, yet the allegations remain...
However, what does that have to do with Martin's lack of class in refusing to shake the hands of the Miami players? They had nothing to do with any childish feuds. He didn't shake Gene's hand either. Did he spy on him too? Is everybody a spy? He sounds like he has delusions of paranoia. At least not all of the FSU fans are trying to make excuses for him.
:whistle:

[Ta town]

FSU is a good program, Martin is obviously a good coach

WSU is a good program, Stephenson is a good coach


MY PROBLEM WITH MARTIN IS HE APPEARS TO BE A BABY AND IT FLOWS DOWN TO HIS PLAYERS AS WELL. THAT HOLT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST B****** IVE EVER SEEN. LOVED HIS REACTION TO STRIKE THREE AGAINST MIAMI BACK IN APRIL. REMINDED ME OF HIS REACTIONS DURING THE SUPER REGIONAL. SERIOUSLY I DON'T THINK YOU CAN ARGUE THAT MARTIN HAS BEEN ACTING CHILDISH LATELY BUT YOU WILL.

Also FSU has been 20 times and not won. WSU has been 7 times and won once. Honestly if given the choice I would be torn on which way i would choose for my team. Making it is a great accomplishment period. Winning it is an even greater accomplishment. Honestly tough choice.

What isn't tough is to see that both programs are great baseball programs and I don't think you can really argue that. Honestly neither have that 3 or more CWS championships that sort of seperates you from the pack. So I would say neither is mid-tier and neither is among the elite. Both would probably be right below elite.

[billybud]

FSU was once considered Top Tier in Football..

No team will, in my lifetime, finish 14 straight years in the Top 5..go to 14 straight bowl games without a loss. From 1987-2000, FSU was an officially NCAA recognized dynasty.

I wouldn't rate FSU "top tier" today because of past accomplishment, they are not. They are a team that has a fantastic legacy but have not performed at a "Top tier" level since 2000.

Princeton was once the king of college football and I recognize their legacy, but Princeton is no longer relevant.

I rateed LSU because they have been to the show three times since their 2000 NC...that is recent and relevant.

[ShockerFever]

8 years ago is considered recent?

FSU had a good run for a mid-tier program. Any mid-tier program that can make the CWS is quite the accomplishment. I applaud them for that.

[billybud]

thank you...and that is my sentiment as well.

FSU is an upper mid tier program that beats mid tier programs to get to the CWS. But once there, has problems with the pitching of the truly big boys.

[CharlieHog]

Arguing over whether a college baseball program is mid tier or upper mid tier.

Why I love the internet. lol

[ShockerFever]

Arguing over whether a college baseball program is mid tier or upper mid tier.

Why I love the internet. lol

Guess who started the argument?


A Seminole fan hanging out on a Shocker board.