WSU history with OSU

[newshock1234]

im sure Gene and the boys arent looking past TCU, but we as fans can do so, because thats the bigger picture.

[WSUwatcher]

OSU

Good point, newshock.

The OSU rivalry is far more fan talk than it is of relevance to the players. The coaches know the history very well, of course, having lived it. But for the current crop of WSU players, most were anywhere from diapers to preschool back when WSU vs. OSU was at its peak as a rivalry: "Pete Incaviglia? Who's that?"

Clinton McKeever, Tyler Fleming, and the coaches have some special incentive for this regional, but otherwise the rivalry talk will be mostly for the fans, writers, and local talking heads.

[ShockerFever]

You guys have jinxed the team. All this commentary about the history and rivalry between OSU and WSU.....

If we don't beat TCU first, then there won't be an opportunity to revive the rivalry in a Regional setting. Somehow, I get this feeling TCU is just sitting back licking their chops at a 4th chance to beat us.

If OSU and WSU end up playing for the regional championship, then let the smack talk begin.

I'm with WSUwatcher on this one. I'd much rather be facing a team we beat three times this year, as opposed to a team we lost to. That is to say, we should of course not look past TCU. They are a legitimate threat and should and will be given our full attention. They are extremely good and very capable of beating us.

You seem to be taking the position of damned if we do, damned if we don't. It's bad if we were to play an ORU who whooped up on us in our last game we played against them.. It's bad that we're playing a team we didn't lose to this season. Come on now. You gotta give a little bit. I'd rather face TCU than ORU. Agree or disagree?

[vbird53]

You guys have jinxed the team. All this commentary about the history and rivalry between OSU and WSU.....

If we don't beat TCU first, then there won't be an opportunity to revive the rivalry in a Regional setting. Somehow, I get this feeling TCU is just sitting back licking their chops at a 4th chance to beat us.

If OSU and WSU end up playing for the regional championship, then let the smack talk begin.

I'm with WSUwatcher on this one. I'd much rather be facing a team we beat three times this year, as opposed to a team we lost to. That is to say, we should of course not look past TCU. They are a legitimate threat and should and will be given our full attention. They are extremely good and very capable of beating us.

You seem to be taking the position of damned if we do, damned if we don't. It's bad if we were to play an ORU who whooped up on us in our last game we played against them.. It's bad that we're playing a team we didn't lose to this season. Come on now. You gotta give a little bit. I'd rather face TCU than ORU. Agree or disagree?

I'm not so sure. I might side with KC on this one. Just like in college basketball, a team that wins a conference match-up twice in a season, and then meets a third time in the conference tourney rarely wins that third match-up. There's just too much parity.

In this instance, isn't TCU actually ranked ahead of us in several polls (rivals)? They will not be any walk in the park.

Luckily, I'd say we have the initial pitching advantage (even though their team ERA is lower), just in having Musgrave take the mound.

[martymoose]

We've beaten the crap out of TCU 3 times already, what's one more time? I say we just forget about them and talk about OSU. It'll be a great game assuming they (OSU) make it past their first game.

Gene, if you're reading this (which I'm sure you are), trust me, don't spend another minute scouting TCU. Move focus to the real game!

[ShockerFever]

You guys have jinxed the team. All this commentary about the history and rivalry between OSU and WSU.....

If we don't beat TCU first, then there won't be an opportunity to revive the rivalry in a Regional setting. Somehow, I get this feeling TCU is just sitting back licking their chops at a 4th chance to beat us.

If OSU and WSU end up playing for the regional championship, then let the smack talk begin.

I'm with WSUwatcher on this one. I'd much rather be facing a team we beat three times this year, as opposed to a team we lost to. That is to say, we should of course not look past TCU. They are a legitimate threat and should and will be given our full attention. They are extremely good and very capable of beating us.

You seem to be taking the position of damned if we do, damned if we don't. It's bad if we were to play an ORU who whooped up on us in our last game we played against them.. It's bad that we're playing a team we didn't lose to this season. Come on now. You gotta give a little bit. I'd rather face TCU than ORU. Agree or disagree?

I'm not so sure. I might side with KC on this one. Just like in college basketball, a team that wins a conference match-up twice in a season, and then meets a third time in the conference tourney rarely wins that third match-up. There's just too much parity.

In this instance, isn't TCU actually ranked ahead of us in several polls (rivals)? They will not be any walk in the park.

Luckily, I'd say we have the initial pitching advantage (even though their team ERA is lower), just in having Musgrave take the mound.

The stance KC is taking is being negative about BOTH situations. That was my point. A team we've beaten 3 times is bad. A team we've lost to is bad. Any team we face is bad. That's not true. We're in a regional. That is good.

Saying that you'd prefer ORU over TCU is not the same thing KC is saying. And I'd prefer that thinking than the 'it's bad no matter who we face' mentality.

So which is it that you'd prefer to play? TCU or ORU?

Judging from recent history, I'd prefer NOT to play ORU. That's not to say anybody should be overlooking TCU. I respect them and it'll be a coin-flip to win that game or ORU IMO. Both teams are dangerously good.

[vbird53]

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The stance KC is taking is being negative about BOTH situations. That was my point. A team we've beaten 3 times is bad. A team we've lost to is bad. Any team we face is bad. That's not true. We're in a regional. That is good.

Saying that you'd prefer ORU over TCU is not the same thing KC is saying. And I'd prefer that thinking than the 'it's bad no matter who we face' mentality.

So which is it that you'd prefer to play? TCU or ORU?

Judging from recent history, I'd prefer NOT to play ORU. That's not to say anybody should be overlooking TCU. I respect them and it'll be a coin-flip to win that game or ORU IMO. Both teams are dangerously good.

I'm not sure that I've been given a choice in who we get to play. TCU is in front of us, so let's focus on them.

[William]

TCU will be a definate challenge with their no. 1 guy that we didn't face earlier as a starter.

I see this thing coming down like this- If osu loses their first game, our chances of winning are 50/50, if they win their first game we probably have a 33% chance of coming out of this thing.

[SB Shock]

TCU will be a definate challenge with their no. 1 guy that we didn't face earlier as a starter.

That probably a understatement.

http://www.boydsworld.com/breadcrumbs/regionals2008.html

TCU deserved better, but the difference in a #2 and a #3 isn't too bad, especially when your #2 is really a #3.

How WSU does against TCU No. 1 will probably be telling for the offense - WSU offensive resurgence over the last 2 weeks just due to facing weak pitching or a renewed focus?

I see this thing coming down like this- If osu loses their first game, our chances of winning are 50/50, if they win their first game we probably have a 33% chance of coming out of this thing.

Here are the calculated probilities (regional/super/CWS):

                           W-L   RPI  ISR   Probs

Oklahoma State            40-16   13   14  51/27/ 4
Wichita State             41-15   25   35  18/ 6/ 0
Texas Christian           43-17   31   19  28/12/ 1
Western Kentucky          33-25   79   88   3/ 0/ 0

[ddog44]

Here are the calculated probilities (regional/super/CWS):

Code:
W-L RPI ISR Probs

Oklahoma State 40-16 13 14 51/27/ 4
Wichita State 41-15 25 35 18/ 6/ 0
Texas Christian 43-17 31 19 28/12/ 1
Western Kentucky 33-25 79 88 3/ 0/ 0

I hope someone puts this garbage about probabilities on the bus's bulletin board. Once the regular season is over, the probabilities are out the window. Just ask Oregon State a year ago. It's all about confidence, momentum, and a little luck. I like our chances.

[PCDShocker]

I don't give a damn about probabilities. They only take into account controlled variables, not heart, guts and desire. Just go win these three games and get our butts to the super regional. To hell with the math and the statistics.

[KC Shox]

We've beaten the crap out of TCU 3 times already, what's one more time? I say we just forget about them and talk about OSU. It'll be a great game assuming they (OSU) make it past their first game.

Gene, if you're reading this (which I'm sure you are), trust me, don't spend another minute scouting TCU. Move focus to the real game!

We didn't beat the crap out of these guys, two 5-1 games and a 3-2 game isn't dominating. In fact, that first game against them, if they didn't eff so bad on defense and give up 3 unearned runs, the game would have been even more close.

All I'm saying is it is very difficult to beat a team four times in a row in the same season. Especially when that team is a Top 30 caliber type team. No home field advantage on this game. We can do it however.

Lastly, the OSU and WSU rivalry has lost a lot of it's luster. These kids today weren't even born when the peak of the rivalry was happening. They can listen to the war stories that Gene tells them, but in the end, I don't know if they are buying what he is selling. Let's beat TCU first, and if the OSU and WSU game happens, then we can start entertaining the idea of crap talking.

[SpanglerFan316]

Here are the calculated probilities (regional/super/CWS):

Code:
W-L RPI ISR Probs

Oklahoma State 40-16 13 14 51/27/ 4
Wichita State 41-15 25 35 18/ 6/ 0
Texas Christian 43-17 31 19 28/12/ 1
Western Kentucky 33-25 79 88 3/ 0/ 0

I hope someone puts this garbage about probabilities on the bus's bulletin board. Once the regular season is over, the probabilities are out the window. Just ask Oregon State a year ago. It's all about confidence, momentum, and a little luck. I like our chances.

The 2007 Tournament Field
Oregon State 38-17 34 12 15 45/20/ 2

http://www.boydsworld.com/breadcrumbs/regionals2007.html

Also:
Wichita State 48-19 20 24 22 32/11/ 1
Arizona 43-13 21 11 11 45/20/ 2
Oral Roberts 40-15 38 37 24 17/ 4/ 0
New Orleans 37-24 87 75 94 7/ 1/ 0

I understand the argument for geographic distribution of regionals, whether I agree with it or not, but Wichita's just not that far north, and why would you give them Louisiana-Lafayette's #1 seed as part of the deal?

Boyd has a tradition of underrating WSU. He sure got Texas right last year. Right? :lol:
Texas 44-15 3 4 4 59/41/ 8

And this:
Vanderbilt 51-11 2 2 3 72/51/11
Michigan 39-16 46 39 46 14/ 5/ 0
Memphis 36-25 50 52 63 10/ 3/ 0
Austin Peay State 39-20 83 79 86 4/ 1/ 0

At some level, this is the problem with handing the committee a bad rating system -- they feel like they have to ignore it some times, and there's no real rhyme or reason to when they do. Vanderbilt is a reasonable choice for a national #1 seed -- the difference between them and Rice certainly falls within the margin of error for any method we've got -- but there's no real way to explain Michigan as a #2 other than, "We felt like it." Actually, Michigan did have one of the shinier road records around, come to think of it, so that could have been it. OK, Coach, lunch is on me if we're ever in the same town.

Either way, Vandy has a nice clear path to Omaha laid out. The reason that they're not the overall favorite is that the 1/4/5/8 side of the bracket is much better loaded than the 2/3/6/7 side.
I loved Vandy's play in the CWS. They never made an error or allowed a run to score. ;-)

[WSUwatcher]

Boyd

Personally, I hope someone does tell the Shocks that according to one pundit they have only an 18% chance to win at Stillwater. That should be good inspiration. In fact, I believe the Shocks are disproportionately better with their three main starters going -- that is, having one of those three start for them helps them even more than it does the average team -- and that Boydsworld's ISR underrates them relative to other teams as a result.

Oh, and KC, we need to find a way to bet on all fourth games between two teams, one of which has gone 3-0 against the other. I win if the 3-0 team goes to 4-0; you win if they don't. Let me just say that Bill James and his sabermetric buddies would love to have a piece of my side of that bet, because if we do it on enough games for high enough stakes, eventually I'm going to end up owning your house.

[William]

Re: Boyd

[quote="WSUwatcher"] In fact, I believe the Shocks are disproportionately better with their three main starters going -- that is, having one of those three start for them helps them even more than it does the average team -- and that Boydsworld's ISR underrates them relative to other teams as a result.


Really?......Tell me more about your beliefs, I'm very interested.