Should Gene retire at the end of the season?

[William]

Yeah.

Does JT get credit for helping recruit Pat Magness? Does JT get credit for helping Magness hit .464?

How about Jeff Ryan? Jeff Ryan is #1 all time with an .882 slugging percentage.

How about Casey Blake and his 101 RBI in 1996?

How about Zach Sorensen? 14th all time in slugging.


How about you drop the ax for awhile?

So far your argument is poor, compare team batting statistics for 1980-1992 vs. 1994-2008 and let's see what ya got.

[7hottamales]

Yeah.

Does JT get credit for helping recruit Pat Magness? Does JT get credit for helping Magness hit .464?

How about Jeff Ryan? Jeff Ryan is #1 all time with an .882 slugging percentage.

How about Casey Blake and his 101 RBI in 1996?

How about Zach Sorensen? 14th all time in slugging.


How about you drop the ax for awhile?

So far your argument is poor, compare team batting statistics for 1980-1992 vs. 1994-2008 and let's see what ya got.

Please no one go waste a lot of time compiling batting averages...if you truly want to make a comparison use something that has a higher correlation with production like OBP, SLG, or OPS.

[DaShox]

So far your argument is poor, compare team batting statistics for 1980-1992 vs. 1994-2008 and let's see what ya got.

1980-1992
WSU played an average of 74 games a year. WSU played 87 in 1982 and 88 in 1985.

We don't play those number of games anymore nor do we play Friends ten times in two days anymore so your point is poor.

[ShockerFever]

So far your argument is poor, compare team batting statistics for 1980-1992 vs. 1994-2008 and let's see what ya got.

1980-1992
WSU played an average of 74 games a year. WSU played 87 in 1982 and 88 in 1985.

We don't play those number of games anymore so your point is poor.

Then we do a little thing called getting the 'average' out of each time period.

Seriously, who is this kid?

[DaShox]

This "kid" is eating your lunch.

1982 schedule
Grand Canyon
St. Edwards (3 games)
Southwestern Texas (3 games)
Fort Hays (6 games)
Wayne State (3 games)
Denver
Baker (3 games)
Minnesota Morris (4 games)
William Jewell (3 games)
Bemidji State (Minn) (3 games)
NE Oklahoma (2 games)
Winona State (3 games)
Philips (3 games)

Judging by the scores, such as 24-0 vs Denver, take the batting averages out for those games and maybe we can talk.

[ShockerFever]

In his own warped little mind he is.

Ok DaShoxy. Take away the 10 D-1 games against Friends every year during the 80's and early 90's and compare the statistics.

Your logic is deeply flawed.

[DaShox]

1982 Results
WSU 24, Denver 0
WSU 15 Grand Canyon 2
WSU 15, Fort Hays 0
WSU 12, Fort Hays 2
WSU 16, Fort Hays 0
WSU 11, Fort Hays 1
WSU 20, Colorado State 2
WSU 16, Denver 0
WSU 20, Bemidji State 1
WSU 27, Bemidji State 7
WSU 25, Winona State 2

Those games may have increased a few batting averages.

[ShockerFever]

Take out every single non-D1 game in every season since the beginning of time and then compare the statistics.

The hole is getting deeper..

[DaShox]

Go right ahead. I've already done enough work for you. Did you notice how it was "get rid of the 10 games vs Friends". Then, after more information, it was "get rid of all the non D-1 games"?

Kinda reminds ya of Muammar Gaddafi and his "no, this line in the sand. no, wait, this line in the sand".

[ShockerFever]

I'm gonna stop after this post because you're making us all dumber for the ludicrous posts you are making:

DaShoxy conveniently left out these 1982 scores:

WSU 15, Arizona State 4
WSU 13, Oklahoma State 2
WSU 7, Cal St. Fullerton 0

Oh and to be fair, here are some scores from the 1996 season that may have influenced batting averages:

WSU 14, Northeastern Illinois 5
WSU 19, Friends 5
WSU 15, Friends 3
WSU 13, Emporia State 11
WSU 23, Rockhurst 2
WSU 6, Hastings College 4 ( :lol: )

What exactly is your point again?

Wait. I take it back. Don't respond. It's not even worth arguing when you don't even understand basic elementary mathematics. Take the last word schoolboy.

[DaShox]

If you want to deliver the mail, you have to put it in the mailbox. You can't just throw it all over the yard.

[William]

precisely, thats why when you argue jt is not the problem because of the abberation of 1998 or a individual player like conor gillespie, that is garbage. When someone suggests that we quantify and compare statistics from previous eras you spout more manure. It is simple really, the numbers, cws appearances, etc. don't lie, Jts tenure has not been laden with great offensive teams (in comparison with shocker standards) always got to dot the i's with your DA

[shockfan89]

There are valid reasons you can't just compare the numbers and say that is proof. Comparing numbers assumes all other factors have remained constant. The fact is that all other things haven't remained constant.

1. There has been an increasing parity in college baseball as it has become more popular.

2. The rules on the bats have changed with the intent of making it harder to have rockets coming off the bat (you understand this rule was designed to lower the speed and force at which the ball comes off the bat right?).

3. The number of games has been reduced which means we aren't playing 30 games per year against non-D1 or VERY high RPI teams.

All of these things will have some effect on batting average, on base percentage and slugging percentage. How much? Who knows? But to just completely ignore them is ignorant. Now if you studied all D1 baseball teams prior to 1997 and all after 97 and WSU was the only one whose #'s went down then you would have a valid point. I don't know the answer, just saying you can't just compare numbers and make a valid point.

[7hottamales]

There are valid reasons you can't just compare the numbers and say that is proof. Comparing numbers assumes all other factors have remained constant. The fact is that all other things haven't remained constant.

1. There has been an increasing parity in college baseball as it has become more popular.

2. The rules on the bats have changed with the intent of making it harder to have rockets coming off the bat (you understand this rule was designed to lower the speed and force at which the ball comes off the bat right?).

3. The number of games has been reduced which means we aren't playing 30 games per year against non-D1 or VERY high RPI teams.

All of these things will have some effect on batting average, on base percentage and slugging percentage. How much? Who knows? But to just completely ignore them is ignorant. Now if you studied all D1 baseball teams prior to 1997 and all after 97 and WSU was the only one whose #'s went down then you would have a valid point. I don't know the answer, just saying you can't just compare numbers and make a valid point.

All valid points, but there is still a rather simple way to do the analysis. Just compare WSU's relative rank nationally each season in categories like OBP, SLG, and Runs scored adjusted by some measurement of schedule strength. The result should be at least somewhat useful in judging what our trend line looks like over time.

[DaShox]

thats why when you argue jt is not the problem because of the abberation of 1998 or a individual player like conor gillespie, that is garbage.

From page 7:

Is JT the problem? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not.

Remember what was said about delivering the mail? About not just throwing it all over the yard? William, your above comment is a fine example of what I'm talking about.