Attendance Question

[shocker3]

Since 1978 I have been to nearly all of the Shocker home games and most of the road games. This year, though I have missed several home games and I have yet to make a baseball road trip. Part of it is other Shocker sports, I went to Omaha and Cleveland to follow the Shocker men's basketball team. This week I went to the ITC bowling championships being held in Wichita.

I still plan on making a couple of baseball road trips this year to support the team, but it just isn't the same as it used to be.

[Shock Treatment]

Nebraska reports actual numbers, not paid.

[MoValley John]

Nebraska reports actual numbers, not paid.

In what? Baseball? Maybe, I'm not a college baseball guy and don't ever go to college baseball games, but I do go to Nebraska football, volleyball and basketball games. Season ticket holder in football. None of those sports uses butts in seats. None of them. What makes baseball so different to them?

[CharlieHog]

Nebraska's attendance figures in their box scores are pretty varied, so it does look like they are using actual numbers (or an estimate of actual numbers, which I suspect is what everybody did anyway).

They reported 3643 for last Saturday's home game against Ohio State, and 5719 for the previous Saturday home game (10 degrees warmer for that one).

[MoValley John]

Nebraska's attendance figures in their box scores are pretty varied, so it does look like they are using actual numbers (or an estimate of actual numbers, which I suspect is what everybody did anyway).

They reported 3643 for last Saturday's home game against Ohio State, and 5719 for the previous Saturday home game (10 degrees warmer for that one).

Nebraska uses tickets sold. Period. They aren't close to sold out on season tickets, so the variance is great. The higher number of season tickets the more consistent the numbers. Weather and bandwagon, combined with Nebraska not having near the percentage of seats sold as season tickets, lends to fluctuations. Nebraska doesn't count turnstyle for anything. See Nebraska football during the Callahan era. Compare those sold out figures vs. pictures of empty seats. See also their basketball figures. The World Herald has pointed this out many, many times.

[Play Angry]

WSU used to use actual attendance in baseball, and it was the only sport the school reported that way for roughly a decade (though there were some years of reporting both actual and paid in baseball).

I am not sure which method Nebraska uses to report, but I wouldn't rule it out based on their practices in other sports.

[Shock Treatment]

Nebraska uses tickets sold. Period. They aren't close to sold out on season tickets, so the variance is great. The higher number of season tickets the more consistent the numbers. Weather and bandwagon, combined with Nebraska not having near the percentage of seats sold as season tickets, lends to fluctuations. Nebraska doesn't count turnstyle for anything. See Nebraska football during the Callahan era. Compare those sold out figures vs. pictures of empty seats. See also their basketball figures. The World Herald has pointed this out many, many times.

MVJ, you couldn't be more wrong if you slapped Mother Theresa.

Nebraska, in baseball, uses actual numbers. They have around 3,000 or so season ticket holders for baseball. Now, check the mid week game attendance numbers. Are those over 3k for day games? No, they are not my dear good friend.

I can't speak for basketball and football (whose sellout streak dates to 1962) , you know well Nebraska volleyball is sold out and packed every match, so paid = attendance.

And if you don't believe me, ask the OWH beat writer Jon Nyatawa, tweet or email him at:

@JonNyatawa

jon.nyatawa@owh.com


Oh, I'm waiting on the "many, many" links from the Omaha World Herald pointing out what Nebraska reports for attendance.

[Shock Treatment]

Nebraska uses tickets sold. Period. They aren't close to sold out on season tickets, so the variance is great. The higher number of season tickets the more consistent the numbers. Weather and bandwagon, combined with Nebraska not having near the percentage of seats sold as season tickets, lends to fluctuations. Nebraska doesn't count turnstyle for anything. See Nebraska football during the Callahan era. Compare those sold out figures vs. pictures of empty seats. See also their basketball figures. The World Herald has pointed this out many, many times.

I reread this post, talk about somebody talking out their arse with no idea of what they are talking about, lol....

[MoValley John]

I reread this post, talk about somebody talking out their arse with no idea of what they are talking about, lol....

Explain it. I freaking live here, go to Nebraska games, see the variance in listed attendance and actual butts in seats, firsthand, yet I'm speaking out of my ass? Nebraska, just like about everyone else, uses paid attendance. In the past, the Omaha World Herald listed the stated attendance and also a reporter estimated actual. They still do this when the BS meter rises too high. They do it for Creighton basketball, Nebraska basketball and yes, baseball.

This isn't a knock on Nebraska, it's simply how they do it. It's how jyst about everyone else does it. It is easier to report tickets sold than to add up a bunch of turnstyles, plus, it more positively reflects support.

I don't know what your fascination is about this idea of Nebraska counting turnstyle, but you are wrong. You may be one of those indoctrinated, "There's no place like Nebraska" zealot fans, but you are wrong. I do attend Nebraska events, in the past have posted pictures from said events. I have driven by Hawks Field during a March game attended by maybe a thousand, only to see a box score of 3,500 reported. Im not speaking out of my ass.

Myfirst run in with a Shusker fan. Shosker?

[MoValley John]

This is exactly why transplants to Nebraska hate Nebraska fans. Peobably similar to zealot and ignorant Jayhawk fans.

[Shock Treatment]

Grade A ignoranis.

Baseball, again, uses actual attendance. Again, for the 2nd time, they have 3k in season tickets sold (for 3.8k chairs), so how on earth is attendance listed below that???

And I'm going to tell you something else Mr. Knowitallaboutthehuskers, BASKETBALL uses actual numbers too. Don't believe me?

Pinnacle Bank Arena holds 15.3k, which is sold out everygame thru season tickets (FACT).

Read this article:

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/huskers-stunned-at-home-by-incarnate-word/article_53cc2e02-80df-11e4-a366-dbaf48e7594c.html

How can 10k be in attendance when 15.3k have paid? Huh??? ((((crickets))))

This is exactly why anonymous internet posters can say anything out there ass without having factual backing for it.

Why don't you email Barfy or Jon Nyatawa and have him tell you the same thing.

Nice try, MVJ, thanks for playing though!!!!

[Shock Treatment]

lol, those darn ole facts just keep getting in the way of a good arguement:

http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/mens-basketball/nu-reports-percent-renewal-rate-for-hoops-tickets/article_72f35ea9-146f-564c-843b-5bb5257ac165.html

Yet, 10,586 was listed as the attendance.

[Cdizzle]

So a Nebraska fan signed up for an account and waited 7 long years for his gotcha moment?

And he chose baseball attendance reporting?

I love the interwebz!

[SB Shock]

So a Nebraska fan signed up for an account and waited 7 long years for his gotcha moment?

And he chose baseball attendance reporting?

I love the interwebz!

The "Nebraskarian Candidate"

[MoValley John]

Grade A ignoranis.

Baseball, again, uses actual attendance. Again, for the 2nd time, they have 3k in season tickets sold (for 3.8k chairs), so how on earth is attendance listed below that???

And I'm going to tell you something else Mr. Knowitallaboutthehuskers, BASKETBALL uses actual numbers too. Don't believe me?

Pinnacle Bank Arena holds 15.3k, which is sold out everygame thru season tickets (FACT).

Read this article:

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/huskers-stunned-at-home-by-incarnate-word/article_53cc2e02-80df-11e4-a366-dbaf48e7594c.html

How can 10k be in attendance when 15.3k have paid? Huh??? ((((crickets))))

This is exactly why anonymous internet posters can say anything out there ass without having factual backing for it.

Why don't you email Barfy or Jon Nyatawa and have him tell you the same thing.

Nice try, MVJ, thanks for playing though!!!!

Let me help you out there, chief. As I have said, the Omaha World Herald has called bullshit on attendance reporting. They have done it for several years. Nebraska, in a way, has cried uncle. In basketball games that are nearly full, or are full, they report tickets sold. In games where the upper deck is half empty, they still report tickets sold, but add the caviat underneath of actual attendance. Be that as it may, the official attendance, as listed in the box score, is paid. And since you were Johnny on the spot, showing that Nebrasketball is sold out using a Journal Star article, then showing a WORLD HERALD article showing actual, I'll do you one better. I'll show two box scores, Incarnate Word, and UNO. BOTH OFFICIAL ATTENDANCES, AS REPORTED TO THE NCAA, ARE SELLOUTS!

But since the Incarnate Word game was half empty, they added the actual. Both Nebraska and Creighton think the World Herald short changes them on estimates, so they list something for their benefit.

Okay chief, here's the box scores. I was at the UNO game, there were empty seats. How come the extra line in the Incarnate Word box score?

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209782609&DB_OEM_ID=100

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209804054&DB_OEM_ID=100

The box score is in a pdf at the bottom of the article. Yes, the NCAA only allows paid, or actual to be reported. So which one do you think Nebraska reported?