GM 51: vs DBU (2 of 3)

[Rosewood]

Runner goes to 3rd on a WP

[Rosewood]

Runner scores in a double scorched down the line. Pitching change.

[Cdizzle]

Every time this team puts together a nice solid game or two, they just completely embarrass themselves the next time out.

[MoValley John]

And them throw wide. After the Sunday game the coaches need to run these guys till they puke. Anyone who wants to leave after that - let them.

**** - even the fans don't know what the **** they are talking about. Some idiot is yelling that players have to try to get out of the way of a hbp.

Actually, by rule, those fans would be correct. In practice, once players are beyond high school it is rarely ever called. The Simple fact that at 85-90 mph, there is often no where to go, it is too quick and a poorly thrown ball, regardless of effort, is going to hit you. I've seen a few MLB games where umps have not awarded first base because the player obviously leaned into the pitch.

[1972Shocker]

My hope and goal for this team is that they can finish the year 1-game above 0.500

Probably a 50-50 proposition at this point.

[Cdizzle]

Actually, by rule, those fans would be correct. In practice, once players are beyond high school it is rarely ever called. The Simple fact that at 85-90 mph, there is often no where to go, it is too quick and a poorly thrown ball, regardless of effort, is going to hit you. I've seen a few MLB games where umps have not awarded first base because the player obviously leaned into the pitch.

Do you have a link to this rule?

My understanding is that one does not have to make ANY effort to get out of the way. Deliberately leaning into the way of a pitch is a different story.

[Rosewood]

Bob Arnes in for Baker

[Cdizzle]

Guess we gave up in this one? Not that it ever really looked like we tried.

[SB Shock]

Do you have a link to this rule?

My understanding is that one does not have to make ANY effort to get out of the way. Deliberately leaning into the way of a pitch is a different story.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/batter_6.jsp

6.08
The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when --
(a) Four “balls” have been called by the umpire;
Rule 6.08(a) Comment: A batter who is entitled to first base because of a base on balls must go to first base and touch the base before other base runners are forced to advance. This applies when bases are full and applies when a substitute runner is put into the game.

If, in advancing, the base runner thinks there is a play and he slides past the base before or after touching it he may be put out by the fielder tagging him. If he fails to touch the base to which he is entitled and attempts to advance beyond that base he may be put out by tagging him or the base he missed.

(b) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting to hit unless (1) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or (2) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball;
If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched.

APPROVED RULING: When the batter is touched by a pitched ball which does not entitle him to first base, the ball is dead and no runner may advance.
(c) The catcher or any fielder interferes with him. If a play follows the interference, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire that he elects to decline the interference penalty and accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, the play proceeds without reference to the interference.

Rule 6.08(c) Comment: If catcher’s interference is called with a play in progress the umpire will allow the play to continue because the manager may elect to take the play. If the batter-runner missed first base, or a runner misses his next base, he shall be considered as having reached the base, as stated in Note of Rule 7.04(d). Examples of plays the manager might elect to take:
1. Runner on third, one out, batter hits fly ball to the outfield on which the runner scores but catcher’s interference was called. The offensive manager may elect to take the run and have batter called out or have runner remain at third and batter awarded first base.
2. Runner on second base. Catcher interferes with batter as he bunts ball fairly sending runner to third base. The manager may rather have runner on third base with an out on the play than have runners on second and first.
If a runner is trying to score by a steal or squeeze from third base, note the additional penalty set forth in Rule 7.07.
If the catcher interferes with the batter before the pitcher delivers the ball, it shall not be considered interference on the batter under Rule 6.08(c). In such cases, the umpire shall call “Time” and the pitcher and batter start over from “scratch.”
(d) A fair ball touches an umpire or a runner on fair territory before touching a fielder.
If a fair ball touches an umpire after having passed a fielder other than the pitcher, or having touched a fielder, including the pitcher, the ball is in play.

[MoValley John]

Do you have a link to this rule?

My understanding is that one does not have to make ANY effort to get out of the way. Deliberately leaning into the way of a pitch is a different story.

Sure, I'll get a link. I umped at the high school level for over a decade prior to having children. If I remember the rule exact, the book states something along the that the batter "Shall not let the ball hit him.".

The practice of taking one for the team is essential, but you need to at least give the appearance of a feeble effort to avoid the ball.

[MoValley John]

Oops, SB beat me to it, but yes, not avoiding the pitch does not get you first base.

[Cdizzle]

Thanks.

This team doesn't hit enough pop flies.

[Rosewood]

Almost 11 straight outs on pop ups but the 3rd baseman dropped it. But then the next one was. And we ended it with one. Pathetic

[Ricardo del Rio]

hooper

[SB Shock]

hooper

RDR, have you looked at Butler contract? You are going to have to pony up a lot of $ to get Hooper here anytime soon.