Veritas on Leave

[WstateU]

I can't stand what ADES has done (or hasn't done for WSU).
His decisions suck. His leadership sucks. His demeanor sucks. His midget bug-eyed stare sucks. His support of CU and the clock sucks. His stuttering "Mayor Menino" interviews suck.
His shitty Shockervision sucks. His "bury his head in sand" pussifucation sucks. His support of Elgin sucks. His lack of capitalizing on WSUs FF and getting WSU into a new conference sucks. His myopic vision for WSU athletics suck.
And I suck for allowing that midget punk to piss me off so badly. So before I get kicked off this board, I will bid you a fond farewell and wish you and the Shockers success.

I will return once the stench of ADES' decision has left my consciousness which for some of you will be all to short of a time.

By the way..... ADES SUCKS!

Go Shockers!

Wow x 100!

It’s too bad I placed myself on ‘Shockernet Probation’ last night… the photo posting opportunities are endless.

Veritas, you’re one of the good guys and I sure can’t fault your passion for Shocker athletics. There aren’t many people with dual allegiances (WSU/KU) like you. Make an appointment at the ‘repair shop’ and get your head gasket replaced. STAT!

[ShockerFever]

Well obviously he is the subject to criticism because he is a poor public speaker and can't excite a crowd to near hysteria and he doesn't look like Cllint Eastwood. Plus I think he is responsible for climate change and global warming if I'm not mistaken. Some of that may be pure conjecture on my part but what the heck.

I really don't wanna open this can right now...

Let's see what becomes of this situation before we anoint Eric as the Chosen One.

[ShockerFever]

And please let's not compare Veritas to DOFO. That's not even close to a valid comparison.

[jdmee]

I really don't wanna open this can right now...

Let's see what becomes of this situation before we anoint Eric as the Chosen One.

I know it's not as fun, but there is a middle ground between he's the Chosen One and "The guy has no courage, no brains, and no heart!!! He couldn't manage a Cat House in Las Vegas."

[Aargh]

The Chain of Command at WSU Bardo->Sexton->Stephenson How do you think that's worked out for Bardo and Sexton? I believe Gene stated in an interview that there had been no communication between himself and the athletic department for something like 3 months. If you refused to talk to your boss for 3 months, would you keep your job? This didn't all just pop up in 2013. I've heard that Gene has been given multiple chances over several years to change some things, or Sexton would change some things. Gene didn't change anything. then he went into a big pout and refused to talk to his boss. There's more to this than just on-the-field results.

[1972Shocker]

I know it's not as fun, but there is a middle ground between he's the Chosen One and "The guy has no courage, no brains, and no heart!!! He couldn't manage a Cat House in Las Vegas."

Agreed. Plus I don't think I've heard anyone refer to ADES as the chosen one. I think we all realize he was very inexperienced when he was hired by Dr. Beggs. Jim Schaus, IMHO is a Shocker Hall of Famer and the best AD we have ever had. A tough act for an inexperienced guy to follow. Maybe a high risk hire by Dr. Beggs - but seems to have worked so far. For some reason though many fans who didn't like the hire have simply never been willing to give ADES the benefit of the doubt. Eric has been fortunate to have inherited a very stable situation over his first 5 years as he completes his on the job training. No doubt some mistakes have been made along the way. But nothing major that I am aware of.

However, Eric faces some big challenges at this point. Not sure how Schaus would have handled Gene's situation and I guess it doesn't matter. Eric will no doubt be judged on how he handles the changes with the Baseball program and whether or not he can find a better conference affiliation for the Shocks (if there is one). Neither will be easy, with the latter being a very tough issue recent athletic successes notwithstanding.

I wish him well, but his job, just like Gene's is performance based. Right now he is riding high, but sustaining that high is not an easy challenge. Just ask Gene.

[1972Shocker]

There's more to this than just on-the-field results.

That would not surprise me in the least, but I guess we will never know for sure to what extent there was acrimony and if there was who was the primary catalyst.

[shockmonster]

Veritas just allowed his emotions to take over. He took his ball and went home.

We are not at a place to evaluate the AD. We don't really know how he's grown into the AD position. We don't know how he communicates with his coaches. Sexton (and Bardo too) isn't the type of person to shout his accomplishments, or go to the media criticizing the MVC commissioner. He is the type of person (good or bad) who has face to face types of meetings to express his displeasure. He probably is a great boss to work for (except for Gene) because he's a good person who treats others like he wants to be treated himself.

While not perfect, Sexton is a WSU leader who is loyal to the university and wants what is best for it. The MVC conference isn't what we'd hope for, but if anyone is honest, we don't have many options, and we aren't even sure what ADES is doing on this front because he doesn't use the media as a conduit for himself. All we see for sure are how many championships we win, how fund raising is going, and other superficial things, and when we look at what we know for sure, the Shockers are doing well, and therefore Sexton should get credit for it.

[pogo]

And please let's not compare Veritas to DOFO. That's not even close to a valid comparison.

You are right as always. DOFO is smarter and better looking.

[pogo]

I really don't wanna open this can right now...

Let's see what becomes of this situation before we anoint Eric as the Chosen One.

What? You don't believe he is responsible for climate change and global warming?

[choida]

no one person is above the program and no one is ever above the University...Gene started to think that way, and it was his time to go...once you lose perspective of the hierarchy, its time for you to refocus and think things through...I agree with some posters above, I dont think this firing was all about wins and losses, but more about mutual respect and who really runs things in the Athletic Department.

[1972Shocker]

no one person is above the program and no one is ever above the University...Gene started to think that way, and it was his time to go...once you lose perspective of the hierarchy, its time for you to refocus and think things through...I agree with some posters above, I dont think this firing was all about wins and losses, but more about mutual respect and who really runs things in the Athletic Department.

That may or may not have been a factor, I have no way of knowing personally. However, if it was a factor it was only one of many that have come together in a perfect storm for Gene.

Perhaps on the field performance numbers that strike me is that while we have been to 2 regionals over the past five years (and as @WuDrWu points out very fortunate to have done so) we have not won a regional game since 2008 and then, this season, we have no quality wins (none) outside of Valley play.

Should our expectations as fans be lowered? Probably. Is the performance over the past 5 years acceptable? No. Is the program suffering from that performance? Yes.

Do we give a 67-year old coach and his staff, who may not believe it can be done anymore at WSU, a 5-year extension to fix it or should we pull the plug and go a different direction.

Seems like an easy decision except for the fact we are dealing with a legendary coach with 36 years of service. That makes it really tough and emotional.

However, I believe that making a change now is the right move, but I understand it is not a slam dunk by any means.

[molly jabali]

probably been said MANY times, but I think this could have been avoided if Gene was the least bit likeable, let alone loveable. But he has chosen to be caustic and gruff, which is fine when you dominate but it bites you when you lose.

[1972Shocker]

probably been said MANY times, but I think this could have been avoided if Gene was the least bit likeable, let alone loveable. But he has chosen to be caustic and gruff, which is fine when you dominate but it bites you when you lose.

Not sure Gene has chosen to be caustic and gruff. I think that is just Gene being Gene. Perhaps one could say it is in the Genes.

[molly jabali]

1972, to me you are a great poster...but I have to disagree...if Gene was 'just being Gene', then Gene has to be smart enough to know that can cost you. Many Crummier coaches might have gotten to stay longer because they treated people right. I've had four conversations with the man over the past 20 years...not a huge body of work but at least a snippet. Not once did I feel like "this is a really likable guy"...but maybe that's a reflection of me!:)