2014 MVC Baseball Tournament...

[WuShock16]

...will not be in Wichita, but instead will go to Terre Haute. We shouldn't be surprised. Very Valley-like decision!

http://www.kansas.com/2013/05/16/2805402/wichita-state-lands-mvc-volleyball.html

[Wuzee]

Welcome to the Valley, Dallas Baptist.

[ShockerFever]

Wow, are you freaking kidding me?

Welp, they officially hate Wichita and apparently $$ too.

[vancedave56]

It's time to upgrade our facility again...and...

[Veritas]

Well, Elgin said he wanted to create more parity in the MoVal and spread the tournament around to programs that updated their facilities. InSU has done that.
Unfortunately, a WSU high tide raises all boats as indicated as to when the Valley was at its strongest. A WSU low tide lowers all boats which is indicative of the conference today.
Elgin accomplished what he wanted....... He created parity.

[1972Shocker]

He created parity.

I think you give Elgin to much credit. You are stating that parity in the Valley is directly linked to moving the MVC tournament around. While that may have had some minor impact on parity, I think it is a stretch to say we have parity soley or even primarily because of that factor.

[Veritas]

I think you give Elgin to much credit. You are stating that parity in the Valley is directly linked to moving the MVC tournament around. While that may have had some minor impact on parity, I think it is a stretch to say we have parity soley or even primarily because of that factor.

It's naive to think that other coaches and school officials did not rally together to move the tournament away from WSU for a record 4th straight year. Elgin supports that. Other schools given the chance to win the tournament and the sole NCAA representative is exactly what other schools want.

[1972Shocker]

It's naive to think that other coaches and school officials did not rally together to move the tournament away from WSU for a record 4th straight year. Elgin supports that. Other schools given the chance to win the tournament and the sole NCAA representative is exactly what other schools want.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never even implied other coaches and school officials did not rally to move the tournament away from WSU or that they want the Valley to be a 1 bid league (which sounds bizarre on the face of it). I never even addressed that issue. I simply stated that there is no empirical eveidence, or at least none presented that support your conclusion that parity in MVC baseball is due to moving the tournamnent away from Wichita.

Everyone has the a chance to win the tournament because their is no longer a dominant program in the MVC. It has nothing to do with where the touranment is held. It's not like these other schools are getting a big home field advantage by hosting. Most of them simply do not draw that well.

[Veritas]

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never even implied other coaches and school officials did not rally to move the tournament away from WSU or that they want the Valley to be a 1 bid league (which sounds bizarre on the face of it). I never even addressed that issue. I simply stated that there is no empirical eveidence, or at least none presented that support your conclusion that parity in MVC baseball is due to moving the tournamnent away from Wichita.

Everyone has the a chance to win the tournament because their is no longer a dominant program in the MVC. It has nothing to do with where the touranment is held. It's not like these other schools are getting a big home field advantage by hosting. Most of them simply do not draw that well.

Do you not believe Elgin wants parity in the MoVal? Do you not think Elgin supports the tournament to be moved around to different schools to support that objective? Do you not support the view that the MoVal is currently a weak baseball conference? Do you not think home teams have a home field advantage? Wake up. Or.... Is it simply another sign of ADES weakness? You make the choice.

[1972Shocker]

I want parity in the MVC. I would like to have all the teams in the Top 75 of the RPI. That would be great in my viewpoint. WSU has no ownership of the Valley tournament and to think that we can simply dictate where the tournament will be played is not only naive, but arrogant. You must be confusing ADES with George Bush. Everything you don't like is ADES' fault. Everyone knows that it is really George Bush's fault. I'm not sure what choice I am supposed to be making, but I readily admit I have very little, if any, influence with what happens with WSU Athletics or the MVC. So whatever choice I am supposed to be making is largely irrelevant.

This is baseball. What determines who wins this tournament has very little to do with location and everything to do with who has the best team and perhaps, more specifically, who has the strongest and deepest pitching staff.

[Veritas]

I want parity in the MVC. I would like to have all the teams in the Top 75 of the RPI. That would be great in my viewpoint. WSU has no ownership of the Valley tournament and to think that we can simply dictate where the tournament will be played is not only naive, but arrogant. You must be confusing ADES with George Bush. Everything you don't like is ADES' fault. Everyone knows that it is really George Bush's fault. I'm not sure what choice I am supposed to be making, but I readily admit I have very little, if any, influence with what happens with WSU Athletics or the MVC. So whatever choice I am supposed to be making is largely irrelevant.

This is baseball. What determines who wins this tournament has very little to do with location and everything to do with who has the best team and perhaps, more specifically, who has the strongest and deepest pitching staff.

You are partially correct... I do indeed believe the WSU baseball program and athletic department should be arrogant. I don't want any MoVal team to improve their standing at WSU's expense.

I think your Bush / Sexton analogy might have missed the mark. ADES is the current AD. WSU will not have hosted the tournament in 4 years. BO is the current President. GWB has not been President for 5 years. No one is blaming a former AD for the current state of affairs, but rather the current AD.
Additionally, I don't agree that home field advantage plays no part in who wins the tournament; especially when there is parity.

Your "choice" in forming an opinion could very well be a catalayst for positive movement.

"If you have no will to change it, you have no right to criticize it" (Anonymous)

[shox1989]

...will not be in Wichita, but instead will go to Terre Haute. We shouldn't be surprised. Very Valley-like decision!

http://www.kansas.com/2013/05/16/280...olleyball.html

According to the article, the main reason they awarded the tourney to Ill. St this year was because they invested millions to build a new stadium and they gave it to Indy St next year because they are spending millions to upgrade their stadium.

If that is the real reason, then SIU will probably get the tourney in 2015 because they are in the process of spending a few million to build a new baseball stadium.

I still think the real reason is that the eastern teams don't like the long bus ride to Wichita. But if investing millions into your stadium to upgrade it is the real reason, WSU may not host again unless we upgrade our facilities again.

I really think WSU needs to try very hard to find a new conference. Awarding WSU the Volleyball tourney only seems like a slight to me. The Valley of Even is driving me nuts.

[SB Shock]

I really think WSU needs to try very hard to find a new conference.

that sounds so nice and it is easy to get on board until you ask the question of "where could WSU go that would be better?" - and then you realize there just isn't any place at this moment that would be better of who would wanted WSU.

[shox1989]

that sounds so nice and it is easy to get on board until you ask the question of "where could WSU go that would be better?" - and then you realize there just isn't any place at this moment that would be better of who would wanted WSU.

Maybe bringing back football would open up new options (as well as new problems).

[WuShock16]

I still think the real reason is that the eastern teams don't like the long bus ride to Wichita.

That is exactly what the issue is. I have talked to some people in the department, and the impression they get from the Valley is that Wichita, being the western outpost, is difficult and expensive for everyone to travel to. Yeah, because we like going to Terre Haute and Evansville so much. Oh, and we have to do all of those trips every year. Everyone comes to Wichita once. Most everyone else has a couple of really easy bus trips to make. Our best bus trips (Springfield, Des Moines, and formerly Omaha) are roughly 5 hours.