So this begs the question....

[1972Shocker]

Maybe the radio is more easier to deal with than being on tv in front of hundreds or thousands of people. Who knows?

My guess is that it was he probably new what the topic would be in advance and was better prepared. The current POTUS is not that great of speaker either off-prompter.

[ShockTalk]

Soggy is currently 43 wins clear of Gene and Gene is 65 ahead of Mike.

It would be interesting to see what the win totals look like if you counted only D-1 wins.

True to the D-I wins.

Probably left out an important part of my post. "So, by the time Soggy retires, Gene catches and passes Soggy, Martin at Florida St will probably have passed Gene." It will most likely take a couple more years than that, but if Gene ever holds the record, I doubt it will be for long before Martin goes by him.

[ABC]

And AGAIN, that was all made possible by previous regime hires.

And I mean ANY regime other than Sexton. You can play your game all you want.

If you think that then you are a fool. Those are the ADs that hired Cohen, Thompson and Smithson. Do you really think they performed better than Sexton? Maybe you should list their accomplishments. Belknap almost ran Stephenson off when he was in the midst of all of the CWS appearances.

As for vision, maybe you should use the world-wide interweb and see for yourself:

Vision:

The Wichita State University Athletic Department will be a national leader within intercollegiate athletics with all sports annually competing in NCAA postseason play and positioned as the premier program in its conference, while perennially being recognized among the nation’s elite in academic performance and graduation rates, experiencing widespread growth of its support base, providing fans with the highest entertainment value and promoting integrity and sportsmanship to unprecedented levels of excellence.

[ShockerFever]

If you think that then you are a fool. Those are the ADs that hired Cohen, Thompson and Smithson. Do you really think they performed better than Sexton? Maybe you should list their accomplishments. Belknap almost ran Stephenson off when he was in the midst of all of the CWS appearances.

As for vision, maybe you should use the world-wide interweb and see for yourself:

Vision:

The Wichita State University Athletic Department will be a national leader within intercollegiate athletics with all sports annually competing in NCAA postseason play and positioned as the premier program in its conference, while perennially being recognized among the nation’s elite in academic performance and graduation rates, experiencing widespread growth of its support base, providing fans with the highest entertainment value and promoting integrity and sportsmanship to unprecedented levels of excellence.

What the hell did I say that was inaccurate?

Sexton did NOT hire ANY single one of the coaches that has had all of the successes this year, which in turn, has yielded another all-sports trophy. How hard is it for you to understand this? Why are you arguing this point? It's irrefutable. Sexton has not made a single hire that has affected the all-sports standings in a positive way. This is a FACT.

I want specific vision ideas, not a blanket generic statement that could be pulled from a generic athletics vision handbook.

I realize Sexton is a close acquaintance and/or friend to you, therefore your judgment calls have a major bias towards them and anything that anybody says to the contrary strikes a bit of a nerve with you.

[ABC]

You said Sexton should be compared to "previous regimes." Okay, let's do that. Do you really think Sexton fares poorly compared to Shupe, Belknap and Hunter?

The fact that I know Sexton isn't what strikes a nerve.

It is unspecific, vague, feeling-based criticism that I challenge.

As for specific ideas, it seems to me they are only announced after funding is secured or close to being secured. I thought the vision was pretty good and specific enough. Do you have an example of a wonderful vision coming from Schaus?

Obviously coaches that Sexton has hired are a part of the MVC all-sports trophy. (Sexton was involved with the Cross Country hiring)

Also, do you give Sexton zero credit for retaining the good coaches, the facility improvements, including the track and basketball locker rooms, and the increase in the athletic budget and SASO?

[WSUwatcher]

"So, by the time Soggy retires, Gene catches and passes Soggy, Martin at Florida St will probably have passed Gene." It will most likely take a couple more years than that, but if Gene ever holds the record, I doubt it will be for long before Martin goes by him.

Martin is a couple years older than Stephenson is, and it won't be that easy for him to overtake Gene while both are coaching -- several more years at least, even if WSU continues to meander along -- so he'd likely need to finish the job after Gene departs the coaching scene. But how long will Martin coach at his age? He hasn't had a major dropoff so far, to his credit. But he'll be taking mandatory IRA distributions pretty soon, so he won't last forever.

[1972Shocker]

What the hell did I say that was inaccurate?

Sexton did NOT hire ANY single one of the coaches that has had all of the successes this year... This is a FACT.

This is NOT a FACT as I have previously documented. (Hint: Women's Tennis)

[ShockerFever]

You said Sexton should be compared to "previous regimes." Okay, let's do that. Do you really think Sexton fares poorly compared to Shupe, Belknap and Hunter?

Where are you getting this from? Do you always make stuff up to try and justify an argument? Where did I say "let's compare regimes"? What I said was Sexton has not made a hire that has significantly affected the all sports standings in a positive way and I said the hires were made by previous regimes. I never said "let's compare previous regimes". I said Sexton didn't hire anybody contributing to WSU's successful sports. Please divulge this before you respond next time.

The fact that I know Sexton isn't what strikes a nerve.

Then that makes your infatuation with him and his ability to be infallible in your eyes to be even more alarming.

Obviously coaches that Sexton has hired are a part of the MVC all-sports trophy. (Sexton was involved with the Cross Country hiring)

He was involved? Cool deal. He's made one hire in a fringe appeal, no revenue-generating sport. Woohoo! Let's have a parade for the man.

Also, do you give Sexton zero credit for retaining the good coaches, the facility improvements, including the track and basketball locker rooms, and the increase in the athletic budget and SASO?

This last sentence proves you are extremely blinded by the Sexton Shield and you are incapable of basic reading comprehension. As I state PREVIOUSLY, I said he is credited for maintaining the status quo (not a really tough job to do) that was made possible by previous regime hires. What facility improvements has Sexton been responsible for? An indoor practice facility for baseball? Well, he's about 1/10th of the way there to what the previous administration did in facility upgrades, with probably way more revenue. The increase in budget and SASO is mostly in response to the success of basketball, again the result of a previous hire.

Just try to understand that I don't think Sexton is a god, an AD genius, like what you obviously believe. I'm simply waiting to see what he can produce with his own ideas, not the ideas of others. Baseball will be a showcase for that.

[ShockerFever]

This is NOT a FACT as I have previously documented. (Hint: Women's Tennis)

My bad '72. You did lay that all out.

1 out of 15 is quite a ratio.

[SHOCKvalue]

I haven't posted in this thread as of yet, as I feel the title in and of itself is not even relevant.

No offense shoxlax, but the only question remaining - short of a miracle CWS or SR run - is how ugly does Mean Gene handle finding the door on his way out.

[1972Shocker]

1 out of 15 is quite a ratio.

Actually it is 1 out of 14 successful head coaches plus the jury is still our on Head Softball Coach Kristy Bredbenner.

So at his point he is 1 for 2 at worst, unless you think he should have fired all the other coaches.

Coach Bredbenner will need more time. Hard to say how that will go. She didn't inherit much from Mike Perniciaro (a Jim Schaus hire BTW). Jim did make a great hire prior to Mike in Tim Walton, unfortunatley Tim was only here for a cup of coffee on his way to Florida. At this point Softball is our one laggard and outside of the 3 Walton years has never done much.

If we had an athletic department in shambles at the time Jim Schaus departed I doubt very much that President Beggs would have hired Eric. But with the great job Jim Schaus did he apparently believed he had the luxury of hiring someone who would need time to grow into the job.

I suppose one of the big concerns at the time Eric was hired is that he would undo a lot of what Jim Schaus built. Fortunately, that has not been the case. In fact, 5 years in we are having the most oustsanding year in Shocker sports history. A lot of people deserve credit for that including these two AD's.

[ABC]

Shock fever, you really love straw men. I don't think Sexton is an AD God and I've never said so.

In one of your posts above you wrote "And I mean ANY regime other than Sexton". Your words, not mine.

As I have said before, I challenged unspecified criticism. You like giving unspecified criticism. Thus the conflict.

Please don't try to say that saying Sexton maintaining the status quo is some kind if compliment.

Regarding facilities- Sexton has more involvement in improved facilities outside of Schaus in the last 30 years. If you disagree, I would be interested to hear why

You don't think Sexton is a good AD but can't really say why. OK.

[KC Shox]

Shock fever, you really love straw men. I don't think Sexton is an AD God and I've never said so.

In one of your posts above you wrote "And I mean ANY regime other than Sexton". Your words, not mine.

As I have said before, I challenged unspecified criticism. You like giving unspecified criticism. Thus the conflict.

Please don't try to say that saying Sexton maintaining the status quo is some kind if compliment.

Regarding facilities- Sexton has more involvement in improved facilities outside of Schaus in the last 30 years. If you disagree, I would be interested to hear why

You don't think Sexton is a good AD but can't really say why. OK.

Just speculating here, but perhaps the dislike stems from Sexton's perceived inactivity with the baseball situation. Issues with GS should be handled out of public's view - I get that. But the longer no action is taken, the fact that more and more questions are going to be raised. Perhaps Sexton looks good because he's riding the coat-tails of winning programs before he was hired. Bowling, men's golf, track and field, men's basketball and volleyball were all winners prior to Sexton's hiring. They were winners before, they're still winners now. What? He should be given tons of credit for not turning them into losing programs?

He's being praised about his involvement with behind the scenes fund raising. Doesn't that have a lot to do with the success of what the program(s) accomplished that have inspired people to donate? Perhaps he would deserve to be glossed had he raised funds that do not come right after a particular program reached the Final Four or the Super Regionals for example.

I don't know, again I'm just speculating.

[Cdizzle]

Personally, I think he should be given tons of credit for not turning them into losing programs. There are LOTS of ADs who have done that.

[ABC]

He has done something about baseball. He didn't keep adding years to GS'a contract.

I don't think that is a small deal.