Shox vs. OSU Cowboys

[DUShock]

Krusty needs to hang it up before it's too difficult to right the program...

[JohnnieBallgame]

The "Baum" at Arkansas and Haymarket at UNL are arguably both better facilities than Eck Stadium. Both are outstanding venues for college baseball.

[shock10]

Then go to there games.

[JohnnieBallgame]

My, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

There was nothing said derogatory about anyone, only complimentary of the two facilities. Have you ever been to either? Check them out, they are both great places to watch a ball game. I enjoy watching games at Eck as well, but it is not the only decent facility in the region.

I'll be at Eck this weekend if I can get through my stack of paperwork! See ya there! :good:

[SB Shock]

Then go to there games.

Is there a bus trip?

Btw I watched Arkansas hit a walk off 3 run hr a couple weeks against LSU on tv. They had their park filled up and it looked like a real good college baseball atmosphere.

[shox1989]

I'm not defending where the program is today, not at all, but to talk about regional hosting in the context of the last 12 years vs the previous 10 years is to compare apples to oranges.

I agree. WSU was competing on a national level then and now is struggling to compete at the MVC level. True apples and oranges differences.

There are just too many players in the field now.

Not really. If you look at the field that WSU is competing against for regionals has not really changed that much.

From 1990 to 1998 the Mid-West host sites were shared with 3 teams (OU, OSU and WSU). In general the mid-west only got 1 regional (2 years they got 2).

When they expanded the regional sites from 8 to 16, the Mid-west regional sites in general expanded to 2 sites also. These bids have been shared with a pool of mainly 4 teams (see below).

The years there have only been 1 mid-west host site, the other usual mid-west site has either went to a Big10 school or to a Texas school

Mid-West Hosts
2 Host sites - 6 years
3 Host sites - 1 year
1 Host sites - 5 years (2-B10, 3-Texas schools)

Overall, WSU has been competing with the following pools of teams for the 16 regional sites format

NU - 6
OU - 5
Ark - 4
WSU - 3
MO - 1
OSU -1

The reality is this is probably less of indictment of the WSU program today than how really good the WSU program was was on a national level between 1989-1998.

It is kind of telling that SWOMO with their $33 million Hammons Field hasn't hosted a regional even once. I guess nice facilities alone won't get you a regional.

It is also stunning to me that OSU has only hosted ONCE since 1998. And we won that one!

Once Gary Ward left they just fell off the map.

[Shocker85]

It is kind of telling that SWOMO with their $33 million Hammons Field hasn't hosted a regional even once. I guess nice facilities alone won't get you a regional.

It is also stunning to me that OSU has only hosted ONCE since 1998. And we won that one!

Once Gary Ward left they just fell off the map.

Regional hosting is far more about being a Top-16 seed now than it ever was back when there were only 8 regionals. In the 8 regional days, the committee tended to give more weight to the finanical side of the bid than they do now. I'd say WSU bought a few regionals back in those days (not that the teams weren't worthy).

There are just a smattering of "goodwill" hosts who are outside the elite teams each year who get to host. The committee picks who they want in the CWS and the next 8 teams. Then, if there are any hosting conflicts or just plain poor facilities, those teams get sent elsewhere.

IMO, a distinction must be made between "facilities" as well. Hammons Field and Haymarket Park are not on-campus facilities, they are municipally owned. Don't give SWMO and UNL too much credit for their facilities - their respective city's taxpayers own them. Not that that fact has too much pertinence to this discussion ... I'm just sayin'.

In today's environment, you have to finish with an RPI < 20 to have a reasonable shot at hosting a regional.

--'85.

[shox1989]

It is kind of telling that SWOMO with their $33 million Hammons Field hasn't hosted a regional even once. I guess nice facilities alone won't get you a regional.

It is also stunning to me that OSU has only hosted ONCE since 1998. And we won that one!

Once Gary Ward left they just fell off the map.

Regional hosting is far more about being a Top-16 seed now than it ever was back when there were only 8 regionals. In the 8 regional days, the committee tended to give more weight to the finanical side of the bid than they do now. I'd say WSU bought a few regionals back in those days (not that the teams weren't worthy).

There are just a smattering of "goodwill" hosts who are outside the elite teams each year who get to host. The committee picks who they want in the CWS and the next 8 teams. Then, if there are any hosting conflicts or just plain poor facilities, those teams get sent elsewhere.

IMO, a distinction must be made between "facilities" as well. Hammons Field and Haymarket Park are not on-campus facilities, they are municipally owned. Don't give SWMO and UNL too much credit for their facilities - their respective city's taxpayers own them. Not that that fact has too much pertinence to this discussion ... I'm just sayin'.

In today's environment, you have to finish with an RPI < 20 to have a reasonable shot at hosting a regional.

--'85.

In my book, taxpayers are taxpayers. As taxpayers we also own the WSU on campus facility because we own WSU. In SWOMOs case it is actually a privately owned facility (John Q. Hammons owns it not the taxpayers).

But the point that the UNL baseball field is not on campus hasn't hurt them when it comes to hosting regionals. They have hosted 6 so I guess the bottom line is it doesn't really matter who technically owns the stadium you can still host a regional there.

Your point about the rpi is very good. I think there were at least a few of those Shocker teams in the 90s who wouldn't have hosted if they would have had to have a rpi in the top 20. Back then you could buy a regional, not anymore.

[XManCometh]

It is kind of telling that SWOMO with their $33 million Hammons Field hasn't hosted a regional even once. I guess nice facilities alone won't get you a regional.

It is also stunning to me that OSU has only hosted ONCE since 1998. And we won that one!

Once Gary Ward left they just fell off the map.

Regional hosting is far more about being a Top-16 seed now than it ever was back when there were only 8 regionals. In the 8 regional days, the committee tended to give more weight to the finanical side of the bid than they do now. I'd say WSU bought a few regionals back in those days (not that the teams weren't worthy).

There are just a smattering of "goodwill" hosts who are outside the elite teams each year who get to host. The committee picks who they want in the CWS and the next 8 teams. Then, if there are any hosting conflicts or just plain poor facilities, those teams get sent elsewhere.

IMO, a distinction must be made between "facilities" as well. Hammons Field and Haymarket Park are not on-campus facilities, they are municipally owned. Don't give SWMO and UNL too much credit for their facilities - their respective city's taxpayers own them. Not that that fact has too much pertinence to this discussion ... I'm just sayin'.

In today's environment, you have to finish with an RPI < 20 to have a reasonable shot at hosting a regional.

--'85.

Well technically, Eck Stadium isn't "on-campus" either.

[shox1989]

It is kind of telling that SWOMO with their $33 million Hammons Field hasn't hosted a regional even once. I guess nice facilities alone won't get you a regional.

It is also stunning to me that OSU has only hosted ONCE since 1998. And we won that one!

Once Gary Ward left they just fell off the map.

Regional hosting is far more about being a Top-16 seed now than it ever was back when there were only 8 regionals. In the 8 regional days, the committee tended to give more weight to the finanical side of the bid than they do now. I'd say WSU bought a few regionals back in those days (not that the teams weren't worthy).

There are just a smattering of "goodwill" hosts who are outside the elite teams each year who get to host. The committee picks who they want in the CWS and the next 8 teams. Then, if there are any hosting conflicts or just plain poor facilities, those teams get sent elsewhere.

IMO, a distinction must be made between "facilities" as well. Hammons Field and Haymarket Park are not on-campus facilities, they are municipally owned. Don't give SWMO and UNL too much credit for their facilities - their respective city's taxpayers own them. Not that that fact has too much pertinence to this discussion ... I'm just sayin'.

In today's environment, you have to finish with an RPI < 20 to have a reasonable shot at hosting a regional.

--'85.

Well technically, Eck Stadium isn't "on-campus" either.

I would say yes it is.

[XManCometh]

It is kind of telling that SWOMO with their $33 million Hammons Field hasn't hosted a regional even once. I guess nice facilities alone won't get you a regional.

It is also stunning to me that OSU has only hosted ONCE since 1998. And we won that one!

Once Gary Ward left they just fell off the map.

Regional hosting is far more about being a Top-16 seed now than it ever was back when there were only 8 regionals. In the 8 regional days, the committee tended to give more weight to the finanical side of the bid than they do now. I'd say WSU bought a few regionals back in those days (not that the teams weren't worthy).

There are just a smattering of "goodwill" hosts who are outside the elite teams each year who get to host. The committee picks who they want in the CWS and the next 8 teams. Then, if there are any hosting conflicts or just plain poor facilities, those teams get sent elsewhere.

IMO, a distinction must be made between "facilities" as well. Hammons Field and Haymarket Park are not on-campus facilities, they are municipally owned. Don't give SWMO and UNL too much credit for their facilities - their respective city's taxpayers own them. Not that that fact has too much pertinence to this discussion ... I'm just sayin'.

In today's environment, you have to finish with an RPI < 20 to have a reasonable shot at hosting a regional.

--'85.

Well technically, Eck Stadium isn't "on-campus" either.

I would say yes it is.

It's zoned "off-campus". That's why they can sell beer there. But yes, it's obviously "on-campus", but not really.

[shocker3]

[shocker3]

It is kind of telling that SWOMO with their $33 million Hammons Field hasn't hosted a regional even once. I guess nice facilities alone won't get you a regional.

It is also stunning to me that OSU has only hosted ONCE since 1998. And we won that one!

Once Gary Ward left they just fell off the map.

Regional hosting is far more about being a Top-16 seed now than it ever was back when there were only 8 regionals. In the 8 regional days, the committee tended to give more weight to the finanical side of the bid than they do now. I'd say WSU bought a few regionals back in those days (not that the teams weren't worthy).

There are just a smattering of "goodwill" hosts who are outside the elite teams each year who get to host. The committee picks who they want in the CWS and the next 8 teams. Then, if there are any hosting conflicts or just plain poor facilities, those teams get sent elsewhere.

IMO, a distinction must be made between "facilities" as well. Hammons Field and Haymarket Park are not on-campus facilities, they are municipally owned. Don't give SWMO and UNL too much credit for their facilities - their respective city's taxpayers own them. Not that that fact has too much pertinence to this discussion ... I'm just sayin'.

In today's environment, you have to finish with an RPI < 20 to have a reasonable shot at hosting a regional.

--'85.

85 has hit the nail on the head.

When there were only 8 Regionals and no super regionals it was all about the money.

The sites that had the biggest financial bids usually got the regional as long as the host team was good enough to get into the tournament.

That is the reason we failed to get a regional in 1993. The committee said there was a good chance we wouldn't have made the tourney at all unless we won the Valley tourney. As I recall our rpi in 1993 was 53.

So we got sent to the Ga. Tech regional, beat the #1 team in their yard and made it clear to the championship game in Omaha. I digress, but that 1993 was the most overachieving team we had, so I like to talk about them.

After the ncaa expanded to 64 teams and went to 16 regionals and added 8 usually very profitable super regionals, finances were no longer important.

Now the standard is totally reversed. They give the regionals to the top 16 teams as long as they can meet the minimum financial bid (something like $35,000) and minimum standards for hosting a regional.

So as 85 said you pretty much have to have a rpi of 20 or better to host. Playing in the MVC makes it very hard for us to that (although not impossible). That is why we have only hosted 3 times under the expanded tournament.