The Flaming Burning Stinking & Predictable Disaster that is Creighton Basketball

[Cdizzle]

I'm not sure Creighton is 20th-30th team out. I'd probably have them 15th, give or take.

Regardless, I agree with the sentiment that Creighton is clearly out right now. My only point in even referencing them relative to the bubble was to establish that they aren't horrible. It wasn't my intention to start a debate on the number of teams allowed to be called bubble teams at any given point in time.

For future reference, that number is 16. First four out, next four out, unlikely four, hallucinating four.

The last group usually includes UNI.

[SHOCKvalue]

They haven't done anything in the past, no, but I do think they have a ton of potential. There aren't many (any?) schools that can pull in 15k fans to watch a bad team and/or to drink beer. There aren't that many that can pull in 20k for a decent team.

People fill up arenas for Nickelback concerts too.

[DUShock]

People fill up arenas for Nickelback concerts too.

[AndShock]

People fill up arenas for Nickelback concerts too.

And Nickelback is pretty successful.

[SHOCKvalue]

And Nickelback is pretty successful.

You're missing the point: a disconnect between popularity of product, and historical quality of product.

People go to CU games because tickets - season or individual - are hilariously cheap. If WSU made IBA its home, and practically gave away tickets, we'd have a high average MBB attendence as well.

Comparatively, supply at CKA is tapped out. New season ticket holders are spending multiples of SASO annual minimums to get the chance to sit in the nosebleeds, and into the six figures - literally - to snatch up seats that come available in the lower bowl.

[AndShock]

You're missing the point: a disconnect between popularity of product, and historical quality of product.

People go to CU games because tickets - season or individual - are hilariously cheap. If WSU made IBA its home, and practically gave away tickets, we'd have a high average MBB attendence as well.

Comparatively, supply at CKA is tapped out. New season ticket holders are spending multiples of SASO annual minimums to get the chance to sit in the nosebleeds, and into the six figures - literally - to snatch up seats that come available in the lower bowl.

And we are successful. I think you are missing the point. How many other teams can fill up arenas if they literally gave away tickets? Even good programs in the Big XII can't fill up arenas and it's not like they're charging $50 a ticket. Watch a Baylor game. Watch most Big East games. I'm not saying Creighton is good because people watch them, I'm saying Creighton should be good because people watch them.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Team ('14-'15)	Avg Attendance	Capacity
Texas	11,249	16,540
UCLA	7,711	13,800
Notre Dame	7,715	11,418
Oklahoma St	7,897	13,611
SMU	6,944	8,998
Baylor	6,650	10,284

Those were all NCAA teams with tons of empty seats. Creighton averaged over 17,000 last year to watch a team that finished last place in the Big East and 14-19 overall. That was the #6 attendance figure in the country. The 5 teams that beat them? Syracuse, Kentucky, Louisville, North Carolina, and Wisconsin.

Yes, WSU has impressive fans. Yes, WSU could have huge attendance numbers if tickets were cheap and the games were all played in a high capacity arena. WSU is a mighty strong measuring stick for any comparisons.

In terms of fan support, WSU is elite. Creighton is elite too. There is no reason the two must be mutually exclusive. All I'm hearing is hatred for Creighton disguising itself as analysis of their fan support.

[ShockdaWorld]

Team ('14-'15)	Avg Attendance	Capacity
Texas	11,249	16,540
UCLA	7,711	13,800
Notre Dame	7,715	11,418
Oklahoma St	7,897	13,611
SMU	6,944	8,998
Baylor	6,650	10,284

Those were all NCAA teams with tons of empty seats. Creighton averaged over 17,000 last year to watch a team that finished last place in the Big East and 14-19 overall. That was the #6 attendance figure in the country. The 5 teams that beat them? Syracuse, Kentucky, Louisville, North Carolina, and Wisconsin.

Yes, WSU has impressive fans. Yes, WSU could have huge attendance numbers if tickets were cheap and the games were all played in a high capacity arena. WSU is a mighty strong measuring stick for any comparisons.

In terms of fan support, WSU is elite. Creighton is elite too. There is no reason the two must be mutually exclusive. All I'm hearing is hatred for Creighton disguising itself as analysis of their fan support.

I just want Two Dollar Night. Two Dollar tickets and Two Dollar Pabst Blue Ribbon.

[ShockerFever]

And we are successful. I think you are missing the point. How many other teams can fill up arenas if they literally gave away tickets? Even good programs in the Big XII can't fill up arenas and it's not like they're charging $50 a ticket. Watch a Baylor game. Watch most Big East games. I'm not saying Creighton is good because people watch them, I'm saying Creighton should be good because people watch them.

You're using the term "watch" pretty loosely here.

If by "watch", you mean arrive 20 minutes late, go stand in a beer line for 20 minutes, socialize in one of the walk areas, talk about Nebraska football, and leave 20 minutes early to make sure you can make that 5 minute drive home in good fashion, then you'd be correct.

[ShockerFever]

I just want Two Dollar Night. Two Dollar tickets and Two Dollar Pabst Blue Ribbon.

Then Creighton basketball is your ticket.

[DwShock]

USA USA USA. I always enjoyed beating Germany twice.

[ShockerPrez]

USA USA USA. I always enjoyed beating Germany twice.

The media said it was the easiest bracket. Still no respect.

[WuShock Reaper]

The media said it was the easiest bracket. Still no respect.

Let's go Air Force!---Clap, Clap. Clap, Clap, Cap!

Let's go Army!---Clap, Clap. Clap, Clap, Clap!

Let's go Coast Guard!---Clap, Clap. Clap, Clap, Clap!

Let's go Marine Corps!---Clap, Clap. Clap, Clap, Clap!

Let's go Navy---Clap, Clap. Clap, Clap, Clap!

[ShockerFever]

http://deadspin.com/this-photo-of-john-wall-will-probably-get-more-viewers-1757330648

I got a good, long chuckle out of this.


BIG EAST.

[Dave Stalwart]

http://deadspin.com/this-photo-of-jo...ers-1757330648
I got a good, long chuckle out of this.


BIG EAST.

Maybe the big east wants to add WSU just to get its ratings up :)