The Flaming Burning Stinking & Predictable Disaster that is Creighton Basketball

[ShockerFever]

Don't forget Loyola. I didn't see the final but I assume Creighton won by at least 20.

Zing!

Can't wait to see how that one is spun.

[ShockerFever]

Unfortunately, there's no turd, and I have actual data.

Evansville has a better RPI than them and Evansville doesn't get the luxury of playing in the MIGHTY BIG EAST.

Turd City USA

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Don't forget Loyola. I didn't see the final but I assume Creighton won by at least 20.

Well played. I'll always acknowledge a solid response. Touché.

I merely laugh at several posters who think a bubble team is a dumpster fire.

[ShockdaWorld]

Well played. I'll always acknowledge a solid response. Touché.

I merely laugh at several posters who think a bubble team is a dumpster fire.

For me, it's not so much just that their team is a dumpster fire (although they've certainly struggled since Dougie graduated). It's more that the entirety of "Creighton" is a dumpster fire. Or maybe it's that I'd prefer that they just be rolled up into a big ball and thrown into a dumpster fire.

[ShockerFever]

Since when did teams with RPIs in the low 90s suddenly become bubble teams?

Me thinks people are trying to save face for some embarrassing comments they've made.

[RoyalShock]

I admit I'm surprised by their relative success this year, the Loyola game notwithstanding. Next year they will return four of their top five scorers, so they'll be expected to be a tournament team. Those returning four will all be seniors, and they are only getting consistent contributions from two underclassmen (13.6 ppg combined). They have eight freshmen on the roster, but unless some of those are talented, but blocked by upperclassmen, their window may open for near and shut again.

That felt kind of dirty to write. I need a shower.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

#35 in KenPom
#90 in RPI
14-7 overall
5-3 in a top 5 conference

rpiforecast gives Creighton nearly a 1 in 3 chance of finishing with a top 60 RPI. 10% chance of finishing top 45. CU is on the outside right now, and I'd only give them a 1 in 5 shot at actually earning a bid come March, but they are very much a legitimate bubble team with an opportunity to play themselves in.

[ShockdaWorld]

Does Lunardi have them on the bubble? That's all that matters.

[ShockerFever]

Maybe in Fantasyland they're on the bubble. No credible person is even talking about them at all.

If Creighton is a "legitimate bubble team", then Evansville is as well.

I think this guy just loves being the contrarian and just loves to argue. There's no other reason to think this way. It's just to get a rise out of people. Mediocre trolling job.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

I would rank Evansville and Creighton in the same tier currently (both on the outside looking in), but Evansville has the disadvantage of only one more chance at a quality win the rest of the regular season. Even if you count St. Louis, they only have 2 more chances (both vs WSU) and getting the 2nd win would probably mean they won the championship and earned the auto-bid, making the whole atlarge conversation moot.

I would say Evansville is more likely than Creighton to be in the NIT. Creighton has a wider range of possibilities due to the tougher remaining schedule. Although likely an NIT team, Creighton is more likely than Evansville to make the Big Dance. Creighton is also more likely to fall all the way to the CBI.

As a side, I never "pretend" to hold an opinion just for the sake of argument. My posts are reflective of my actual opinions.

[RoyalShock]

I don't think Creighton is on the bubble, but for the reasons Jamar gave, they have far more opportunity to get there than Evansville. However, I don't think it's any more likely. I went over to peruse their board and saw this in their game thread from last night:

In games Mac has coached here without Doug McDermott, Creighton is now 2-14 in games decided by 5 points or less.

This is a mentally weak team and Mac doesn't know how to fix it. Serious questions need to be raised about him and his players, when they clearly have the talent to win, but fold mentally almost every single time.

That's not a coach/team who is likely to start improving on their body of work.

[ShockerPrez]

I admit I'm surprised by their relative success this year, the Loyola game notwithstanding. Next year they will return four of their top five scorers, so they'll be expected to be a tournament team. Those returning four will all be seniors, and they are only getting consistent contributions from two underclassmen (13.6 ppg combined). They have eight freshmen on the roster, but unless some of those are talented, but blocked by upperclassmen, their window may open for near and shut again.

That felt kind of dirty to write. I need a shower.

So, they have upgraded to the UNI of the Big Yeast.

Every 4 years, they will compete. The rest, they will be mediocre...

Sounds about right.

[RoyalShock]

So, they have upgraded to the UNI of the Big Yeast.

Every 4 years, they will compete. The rest, they will be mediocre...

Sounds about right.

Considering the lineage of McD/Jake, we all should have seen that coming!

[Play Angry]

Creighton obviously isn't "horrible" in the same sense as Bradley or Drake, but it does seem a bit generous to categorize the ~20-30th team out as "on the bubble."

They could go on a tear and ascend to bubble territory, but that's not the same thing as being on the cusp now.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

I'm not sure Creighton is 20th-30th team out. I'd probably have them 15th, give or take.

Regardless, I agree with the sentiment that Creighton is clearly out right now. My only point in even referencing them relative to the bubble was to establish that they aren't horrible. It wasn't my intention to start a debate on the number of teams allowed to be called bubble teams at any given point in time.