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    The bill contains a number of controversial, alarming, and blatantly unconstitutional provisions. Under an emergency declared by the governor, the statute purports to give the health commissioner, and law enforcement and medical personnel broad authority to mobilize forces, vaccinate the population, enter private property with no warrants, and even quarantine people against their will.

    The legislation provides severe penalties — $1,000 fine per day and possible jail time — for not complying with state orders, while also claiming to shield everyone involved from liability. It gives local health authorities the power “to restrict or prohibit assemblages of persons” and gives government agents the authority to “arrest without a warrant any person whom the officer has probable cause to believe has violated an order” while using “reasonable diligence to enforce such order.” Also, law-enforcement authorities “shall assist” medical personnel in the “involuntary transportation” of people to “treatment centers.”

    The provision on vaccines does give citizens the authority to refuse the vaccination, but people who do can be “isolated or quarantined.” The same fate awaits those are “unable or unwilling to submit to decontamination or procedures necessary for diagnosis.” One part of the legislation requires that owners or occupiers of a property “permit entry into and investigation of the premises,” and another section creates price controls.
    This passed their Senate 36-0. They've been trying to get this done for some time and are capitalizing on the H1N1 scare.

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    Wow – gut reaction - this, on its face, smacks of Orwellian jackbooted tyranny. What is the true motivation behind this? In the event of a real outbreak, what powers does the state government in Massachusetts have right now?

    If it is a response to the swine flu, based what happened in the Southern Hemisphere, it appears to be a gross overreaction.

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    • #3
      Clearly, they aren't wasting a good crisis. In the words of Obama, "it's for their own good".

      Honestly, I believe that is the way Mass. liberals must think. Security, using whatever means are necessary, trumps freedom and liberty.

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      • #4
        What crisis? :blink: I, for one, welcome our new viral overlords. :good:

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        • #5
          Re: Massachusettes to become medical police state?

          Originally posted by RoyalShock
          http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/health-care/1797

          The bill contains a number of controversial, alarming, and blatantly unconstitutional provisions. Under an emergency declared by the governor, the statute purports to give the health commissioner, and law enforcement and medical personnel broad authority to mobilize forces, vaccinate the population, enter private property with no warrants, and even quarantine people against their will.

          The legislation provides severe penalties — $1,000 fine per day and possible jail time — for not complying with state orders, while also claiming to shield everyone involved from liability. It gives local health authorities the power “to restrict or prohibit assemblages of persons” and gives government agents the authority to “arrest without a warrant any person whom the officer has probable cause to believe has violated an order” while using “reasonable diligence to enforce such order.” Also, law-enforcement authorities “shall assist” medical personnel in the “involuntary transportation” of people to “treatment centers.”

          The provision on vaccines does give citizens the authority to refuse the vaccination, but people who do can be “isolated or quarantined.” The same fate awaits those are “unable or unwilling to submit to decontamination or procedures necessary for diagnosis.” One part of the legislation requires that owners or occupiers of a property “permit entry into and investigation of the premises,” and another section creates price controls.
          This passed their Senate 36-0. They've been trying to get this done for some time and are capitalizing on the H1N1 scare.
          We haven't seen these types of invasion of privacy and intrusion of rights since George W. Bush was president.


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          • #6
            Re: Massachusettes to become medical police state?

            Originally posted by ShockCity
            We haven't seen these types of invasion of privacy and intrusion of rights since George W. Bush was president.
            Would you like to know the roll call on the 2001 Patriot Act?

            Senate:

            Yea 98
            Nay 1 (Russ Feingold)

            House Dems:

            Yea 145
            Nea 62


            I've made my opposition of the Patriot Act and Bush's emergency pushing of it clear. But the Dens in both chambers voted overwhelmingly for it. So you might want to re-aim your stones.

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            • #7
              Re: Massachusettes to become medical police state?

              Originally posted by RoyalShock
              Originally posted by ShockCity
              We haven't seen these types of invasion of privacy and intrusion of rights since George W. Bush was president.
              Would you like to know the roll call on the 2001 Patriot Act?

              Senate:

              Yea 98
              Nay 1 (Russ Feingold)

              House Dems:

              Yea 145
              Nea 62


              I've made my opposition of the Patriot Act and Bush's emergency pushing of it clear. But the Dens in both chambers voted overwhelmingly for it. So you might want to re-aim your stones.
              Damned facts.

              I have a slightly different opinion that Royal when it comes to matters of national security, however I cannot argue his stance on merit. He is correct.

              'City, I assume, based upon your comments, that you are adamently opposed to plans such as the one mentioned in Mass? Or do you have an explanation as to why you would support one, yet chastise the other?

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              • #8
                Re: Massachusettes to become medical police state?

                Originally posted by WuDrWu
                I have a slightly different opinion that Royal when it comes to matters of national security, however I cannot argue his stance on merit.
                I think I could, of course, that doesn’t mean Royal’s position, which he has made very clear, is without merit.

                It basically comes down to the fact that I might invest more authority in the government, in certain situations, than Royal - whose thinking, if I might be so bold, tends to come from a more libertarian perspective - which, as I believe I have stated before, is not such a bad thing. Generally, libertarians tend to be highly resistant to totalitarian temptations.

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                • #9
                  Re: Massachusettes to become medical police state?

                  Originally posted by RoyalShock
                  Originally posted by ShockCity
                  We haven't seen these types of invasion of privacy and intrusion of rights since George W. Bush was president.
                  Would you like to know the roll call on the 2001 Patriot Act?

                  Senate:

                  Yea 98
                  Nay 1 (Russ Feingold)

                  House Dems:

                  Yea 145
                  Nea 62


                  I've made my opposition of the Patriot Act and Bush's emergency pushing of it clear. But the Dens in both chambers voted overwhelmingly for it. So you might want to re-aim your stones.
                  Oooooh, you really got me there! :roll: I guess if I was a "dem" this might carry some weight. But, since I don't subscribe to the outdated and antiquated two party system, this doesn't really mean much to me. Dem or Repub, they're all crooked. Carry on and try to find some other way to avoid the truth.


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                  • #10
                    Re: Massachusettes to become medical police state?

                    Originally posted by Maggie
                    Originally posted by WuDrWu
                    I have a slightly different opinion that Royal when it comes to matters of national security, however I cannot argue his stance on merit.
                    I think I could, of course, that doesn’t mean Royal’s position, which he has made very clear, is without merit.

                    It basically comes down to the fact that I might invest more authority in the government, in certain situations, than Royal - whose thinking, if I might be so bold, tends to come from a more libertarian perspective - which, as I believe I have stated before, is not such a bad thing. Generally, libertarians tend to be highly resistant to totalitarian temptations.
                    But, alas, isn't that still the government telling us how to run our lives and "what is good for us". Isn't that what most raging righties on here dispise and chastise the current administration for? Is this hypocrisy or something else?


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                    • #11
                      Re: Massachusettes to become medical police state?

                      Originally posted by ShockCity
                      Originally posted by Maggie
                      Originally posted by WuDrWu
                      I have a slightly different opinion that Royal when it comes to matters of national security, however I cannot argue his stance on merit.
                      I think I could, of course, that doesn’t mean Royal’s position, which he has made very clear, is without merit.

                      It basically comes down to the fact that I might invest more authority in the government, in certain situations, than Royal - whose thinking, if I might be so bold, tends to come from a more libertarian perspective - which, as I believe I have stated before, is not such a bad thing. Generally, libertarians tend to be highly resistant to totalitarian temptations.
                      But, alas, isn't that still the government telling us how to run our lives and "what is good for us". Isn't that what most raging righties on here dispise and chastise the current administration for? Is this hypocrisy or something else?
                      The short answer to your first question (first sentence, which I am sure you intended to be a question) is: No. (or Alas, no - if you prefer ;-) )

                      The short answer to your third question is: Something else.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Massachusettes to become medical police state?

                        My position isn't completely libertarian.

                        I do think allowing unconstitutional, warrantless searches of US citizens, as provided for in the Patriot Act is not worth the supposed security it provides. It's a bad trade and sets a dangerous precedent.

                        However, contrary to a true libertarian position, I think there is a time when we do need to get involved in foreign affairs, but only if it poses an identifiable threat to U.S. security. The mid-east region should have and should be dealing with Iraq/Iran. We should not be sacrificing American lives and pouring countless billions into protecting oil and/or Israel, a country with the means to wipe their neighbors off the map.

                        If that region tried and failed to deal with Iraq/Iran, and it appeared one or both had imperialistic goals, then I would be open to an argument supporting intervention.

                        But I digress. This has nothing to do with healthcare in MA.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Massachusettes to become medical police state?

                          Originally posted by RoyalShock
                          My position isn't completely libertarian.
                          I know. What I wrote was not intended to belittle (I have some libertarian leanings myself).

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                          • #14
                            Re: Massachusettes to become medical police state?

                            Originally posted by Maggie
                            Originally posted by RoyalShock
                            My position isn't completely libertarian.
                            I know. What I wrote was not intended to belittle (I have some libertarian leanings myself).
                            I didn't take it that way. Just wanted to clarify. :good:

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                            • #15
                              Re: Massachusettes to become medical police state?

                              Originally posted by RoyalShock
                              Originally posted by Maggie
                              Originally posted by RoyalShock
                              My position isn't completely libertarian.
                              I know. What I wrote was not intended to belittle (I have some libertarian leanings myself).
                              I didn't take it that way. Just wanted to clarify. :good:
                              Thanks for the clarification. For the record, I didn’t really believe (or I thought the odds were slim) that you took my comment that way; however, I did not want there to be any misunderstanding.

                              Regarding the Patriot Act itself – I am fairly certain that we would reasonably disagree on some issues (the utility, the constitutionality, etc. of some of its provisions) but I have not given it much thought.

                              And now back to health-care in the great State of Massachusetts.

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