It wasn't the Russians!

[MoValley John]

Where is the evidence that it was anyone other than Russia? The fact that the IP address was from Ukraine is completely meaningless. I am far from being a technological mastermind, and I know how to connect to a VPN that would ping a site with a Ukrainian IP.

The title of this thread is that it wasn't the Russians, but I didn't see anything in the article that suggested it wasn't the Russians.

And I'm not arguing that the staffers were intelligent. If accurate, it's pretty clear that whoever got the information (whether it be Russia or someone else) did not have to work hard for it. I'm just trying to figure out where your evidence is that it's Ukranian crooks.

You need to look deeper. Not at what I'm typing, but read Podesta's emails questioning his password. Look at the DNC and their IT dept's responses, then their concerns, then their "Oh ****!" moment when they realized the flood gates had opened up. Look at Russia's constant denial. Russia never denied having obtained the info, but the have been stadfast on their denial of executing the hack.

You have a JD in your user name, therefore, I'm assuming that you're an attorney. You are competent enough to search and read for the information for yourself. Any links I could provide, you would argue anyway. Keep in mind, ic Russia were attempting to hack a system, they probably would want to get in and get out without being noticed. What happened to Podesta is hardly the MO of government spying.

I will leave you with one nugget, a message board discussing the hack, explaining way back in July, long before today's revelations, that the hack was executed by one person, not the Russians. Do with this site what you will, argue it any way you'd like, it's pretty obvious that the hack wasn't a calculated spying mission by a foriegn government. That is, unless you want to believe the DNC over a community of people that hack on a daily basis.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11912412

[1972Shocker]

I am far from a knowledgable tech person and not sure I can really follow the back and forth on this board well.

But this article was pretty easy to follow and understand:

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/10/28/hillary-clintons-email-team-helped-russians-hack-john-podestas-email/

[jdshock]

You need to look deeper. Not at what I'm typing, but read Podesta's emails questioning his password. Look at the DNC and their IT dept's responses, then their concerns, then their "Oh ****!" moment when they realized the flood gates had opened up. Look at Russia's constant denial. Russia never denied having obtained the info, but the have been stadfast on their denial of executing the hack.

You have a JD in your user name, therefore, I'm assuming that you're an attorney. You are competent enough to search and read for the information for yourself. Any links I could provide, you would argue anyway. Keep in mind, ic Russia were attempting to hack a system, they probably would want to get in and get out without being noticed. What happened to Podesta is hardly the MO of government spying.

I will leave you with one nugget, a message board discussing the hack, explaining way back in July, long before today's revelations, that the hack was executed by one person, not the Russians. Do with this site what you will, argue it any way you'd like, it's pretty obvious that the hack wasn't a calculated spying mission by a foriegn government. That is, unless you want to believe the DNC over a community of people that hack on a daily basis.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11912412

First of all, you have a worrying amount of faith in the competency of attorneys.

Second, I wasn't trying to argue that it was Russia. I just didn't see how from the linked article that it wasn't them, and I haven't yet been satisfied with an article saying it wasn't them. I appreciate your newest response, and I find it somewhat compelling.

Here's my unrequested take: whether it was or was not Russia, it doesn't really matter for what was in the content of the emails. The DNC is too regularly deflecting from those questions by pointing to Russia. Whether it was or was not Russia is only helpful in terms of showing if Russia wants a certain candidate to win (aside,obviously, from things like whether we should retaliate). I don't think it matters, though, since I think there's other evidence that clearly shows Russia wants Trump to win. But should we seek their approval or pick someone they don't want?

[MoValley John]

First of all, you have a worrying amount of faith in the competency of attorneys.

Second, I wasn't trying to argue that it was Russia. I just didn't see how from the linked article that it wasn't them, and I haven't yet been satisfied with an article saying it wasn't them. I appreciate your newest response, and I find it somewhat compelling.

Here's my unrequested take: whether it was or was not Russia, it doesn't really matter for what was in the content of the emails. The DNC is too regularly deflecting from those questions by pointing to Russia. Whether it was or was not Russia is only helpful in terms of showing if Russia wants a certain candidate to win (aside,obviously, from things like whether we should retaliate). I don't think it matters, though, since I think there's other evidence that clearly shows Russia wants Trump to win. But should we seek their approval or pick someone they don't want?

I don't place that much faith in attorneys. They are fun to rile up, though.

As far as where the hack originated, I don't care. In my opinion, it's far past time to care where they came from, but in my circle of democratic friends, many use the excuse that since the Russians hacked into the system, we should disregard them entirely. Some sort of twisted fruit from the poison tree defense.