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  • #31
    Trump may or may not be racist, but he certainly has elevated exploiting the prejudices of the legions of imbeciles supporting him to an art form.

    The amount of time otherwise normal people spend justifying this shitbag's inane statements blows my mind.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Play Angry View Post
      Trump may or may not be racist, but he certainly has elevated exploiting the prejudices of the legions of imbeciles supporting him to an art form.

      The amount of time otherwise normal people spend justifying this shitbag's inane statements blows my mind.
      It could be that he's just trying to gain the votes of those with prejudices. But when somebody continually says hateful things about everybody who isn't white, I conclude they are a racist.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-a-bigot-and-a-racist/2015/12/01/a2a47b96-9872-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html
      In the fast lane

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post
        Sure, it was an easy prediction, just as it was easy for me to predict that you would change the conversation from "racism" to "xenophobia", which are two different animals.

        Those are YOUR words, not his. You are making up a dialogue and inserting it into someone else's mouth.

        Of course, because you want to change the subject to xenophobia because you know the word racist was completely abused.

        They aren't the same thing, and whether I believe any of it is irrelevant to the discussion of whether Trump is a racist.

        And likewise, if you believe that creating awareness of the economic and social damage caused by ILLEGAL immigration (from ANY country, any race, and any religion) can only be framed as a form of racism or xenophobia, then there's nothing I can do to convince you.
        First, they were, in fact, his words about Mexicans. The inference from those words was mine. Do you think it is an illogical inference (to remind you, the statement is that he believes Mexico has sent the US drug dealers and rapists. The inference: Therefore, when he sees someone he believes to be a Mexican, he is more distrusting of that person that he is of someone he thinks is a white American.)? If so, why?

        Second, what does illegal immigration have to do with his prejudice against Muslims? He has proposed bans of legal immigration of Muslims. He has shown intentional prejudice against people due to their religious beliefs, a religious belief that is constitutionally protected.

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        • #34
          Well, Trump is attacking the Pope now.

          Amazed at this guy's tact.


          Note: Please check your meter for my second comment.
          Last edited by ShockTalk; February 18, 2016, 04:50 PM.

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          • #35
            The Pope probably shouldn't have attacked him first. The Pope wanted a fight, he got one.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by ShockTalk View Post
              Well, Trump is attacking the Pope now.

              Amazed at this guy's tact.
              He says "no leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man's religion or faith"

              As if he has not questioned Muslims' faiths.

              Also, if anyone is allowed to question another man's faith, I would think it would be especially the Pope. Why is he in a uniquely bad position to question someone's faith? His campaign is beginning to come apart at the seams.

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              • #37
                Not a Trump fan, but the Pope oughta stay outa American politics.

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                • #38
                  Maybe Trump could quote some "Two Corinthians" to the Pope, since... you know... Trump's a Christian and all.

                  Kind of a dumb ad hominem by the Pope though, although the guy it was directed at has basically worked himself into being a synonym for the term.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by SHOCKvalue View Post
                    Maybe Trump could quote some "Two Corinthians" to the Pope, since... you know... Trump's a Christian and all.

                    Kind of a dumb ad hominem by the Pope though, although the guy it was directed at has basically worked himself into being a synonym for the term.
                    Throw "ad hominem" at some of the Trump supporters I've seen in video and you would probably get a "whud ya call me?" (said in my best Larry the Cable Guy voice) and a throat punch.

                    But sadly, toss that term at a large percentage of the population regardless of political views, and you would get...
                    Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. ~Dr. Seuss

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by WuDrWu View Post
                      The Pope probably shouldn't have attacked him first. The Pope wanted a fight, he got one.
                      I'm not Catholic. I'm probably not even considered a "good" Christian. However, my point is: If this is how he handles the Pope, may God help us all if this is how he handles those less forgiving.

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                      • #41
                        Pope just gave trump 5%

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                        • #42
                          5 Problems With Pope Francis' Comments On Trump's Faith
                          http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/18/5-problems-with-pope-francis-comments-on-donald-trumps-faith/
                          Pope Francis, in his trademark ambiguous style, weighed in on the faith of Donald Trump. Here are some problems with what he said.


                          Full disclosure, I'm not Catholic, and I don't think it was a wise statement by the Pope. But when you see the complete quote, it doesn't sound so bad.
                          "Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should accomplish with your ability."
                          -John Wooden

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by jdshock View Post
                            The inference from those words was mine. Do you think it is an illogical inference (to remind you, the statement is that he believes Mexico has sent the US drug dealers and rapists. The inference: Therefore, when he sees someone he believes to be a Mexican, he is more distrusting of that person that he is of someone he thinks is a white American.)? If so, why?
                            Yes, it's illogical. a) You are asserting that Trump assumes all Mexicans are hispanic -- I'd bet ya $50 Trump doesn't believe that. b) You are asserting that Trump believes all hispanics walking down the street are Mexican, and none are American or otherwise -- I'd bet ya another $50 Trump doesn't believe that. c) You are asserting that if two people walking down the street were dressed identically, behaved identically, had all the exact same jewelry/piercings/whatever, and the _only_ difference were that one was hispanic and one was caucasian that Trump would be more distrusting of the hispanic person than the white -- I'd bet ya $50 that's not the case.

                            Originally posted by jdshock View Post
                            Second, what does illegal immigration have to do with his prejudice against Muslims?
                            It doesn't.

                            Originally posted by jdshock View Post
                            He has proposed bans of legal immigration of Muslims.
                            Correct, essentially a temporary stay on the legal immigration of Muslim foreigners until the terrorist situation could be identified and quelled.

                            Originally posted by jdshock View Post
                            He has shown intentional prejudice against people due to their religious beliefs
                            Yes, and I am prejudiced against pedophiles and refuse to invite them to my home, since I have a young child living here. But because I don't know which males are pedophiles, I don't let ANY males into my home alone with my kid until I am 100% sure I know who they are. If that makes me "prejudiced" against pedophiles, so be it. And while I have to be careful around all males before they can enter my home, it does not mean I am prejudiced against all males.

                            Originally posted by jdshock View Post
                            ..., a religious belief that is constitutionally protected.
                            No. Syrians or any other foreigners standing on any soil other than U.S. soil or the soil of a U.S. territory have absolutely ZERO U. S. constitutional protections.
                            Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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                            • #44
                              I know I have my bias, but I have a serious question.

                              I watched maybe 15 minutes of Hilary last night. As a human, it was embarrassing. Without directly quoting her, and I promise I'm not embellishing, she said the following:

                              1)If you are a black person with the exact same credentials (income, wealth etc) as a white man, it's 3 times harder to get a home loan. I don't even know where to start with that.

                              2)The economic recovery is being slowed by racists, homophobes and a third group of people that are escaping me at the moment. ALL the guilt belonging to while males.

                              3)She was asked if and or how she would do a variety of things like protecting gay rights, making the American dream easier to get for Hispanics to achieve, how she'd help 21 year olds getting out of college get everything they deserve etc etc.

                              NEVER ONCE did I hear say ANYTHING she'd do. I'm not kidding. Every answer was

                              I am a champion of the LGTB groups. I will defend them.
                              I want people to get higher wages.
                              I want sunshine and lollypops and I'm the one who will do it.

                              Never heard one thing that she'd actually DO.

                              How can ANYONE support this person? She's massively unqualified and has no idea how to lead this country, or anything else for that matter. She will be an unmitigated DISASTER dealing with other countries where she has little to no credibility. Do you really think she is capable of protecting this country, her PRIME job were she elected? She owns a track record of being a habitual liar, her husband is a liar and she'll be bought by anyone with cash. I get it if you hate the GOP. If it's the least of the evils, I get that too.

                              But how can you seriously support this woman? She won't make America great. She'll be worse, way worse, than President Obama.
                              Last edited by WuDrWu; February 19, 2016, 11:43 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Interesting article on Cruz's challenge with regard to accumulating delegates following Trump's anticipated victory in SC.

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