Gun Control

[pie n eye]

I have laid out a logical argument that gets me to that point. If you'd like to counter them, please feel free, but I'd suggest that you come to terms with either your fear of guns or your belief that the government is more capable than you at making decisions about your life. If you don't believe, let's check it out. Should guns be banned? We can start there and follow the logical path.

Also, guns and trucks have different intents, you are correct. A gun is intended to protect the gun user against something that is trying to harm them. Do you believe that to be a less valuable intent than transportation of goods? Statistically, it's much safer!

I didn't see any logical path in the post I quoted. Just a choice betwee a) believing in the 2nd amendment or 2) believing in European socialism.

I never said I'm afraid of guns. I also never said I think the government is more capable than I am of making decisions about my life.

No, I don't think guns should be banned.

[Steeleshocker]

Ok, I'll be honest that I didn't go through all the posts and read all the articles, but here is my view:

The second amendment's purpose is to allow the citizens to protect themselves from a tyrannical government. If that is the case then no bans should be allowed on weapons for that purpose. Just because there may be some risk from nutjobs I don't think we should go modifying the foundations of our country. We should get better at identifying nutjobs and keeping guns out of their hands.

However, I see no reason why weapons that are intended to kill do not require background checks and appropriate training in all circumstances. If these items are too expensive then we should be doing something to reduce their cost or time to complete. The fact that a conceal carry permit in Kansas is no longer required scares me in that people may not have received the appropriate training.

Finally, I would think it would be worth looking at alternatives to upholding the second amendment. Even with assault weapons the individuals ability to stand up to the government is miniscule. If the people need to stand up to that an alternative needs to exist. I don't know what that would be. Maybe separating the national guard further from being connected to the federal military branches. Are reservists deployed for conflicts overseas? I ask because I'm not sure how the ANG, Reserves, etc are structured. But those organizations with minor tweaks may be the appropriate form of providing the ability to resist the government.

[SB Shock]

The fact that a conceal carry permit in Kansas is no longer required scares me in that people may not have received the appropriate training.

What is the appropriate training?

[MoValley John]

Semi-automatic, black plastic, tactical guns that fire 5.56 ammo are very scary. If I were going to be murdered or otherwise accosted I'd much rather the perpetrator utilize a semi-automatic 5.56 rifle with a pretty wood stock, attractive barrel bluing, and longer flowing lines. That way when I'm later suffering from gunshot wounds we can discuss the pleasantries associated with the aesthetics of his firearm while I'm dying or waiting for emergency medical treatment. Think gentlemanly Elizabethan.

Took a little break from this thread, I had work to do. I have to say, I love this post! Personally, if I were to get mortally shot, I'd prefer it from a hand crafted, custom target rifle with a laminate stock incorporating several hardwoods. As I lay in my pool of blood, I'd wonder what size and type of round was used, was it off the shelf crap, or handloaded just for me.

[MoValley John]

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That's what I'm talking about!

[wufan]

I didn't see any logical path in the post I quoted. Just a choice betwee a) believing in the 2nd amendment or 2) believing in European socialism.

I never said I'm afraid of guns. I also never said I think the government is more capable than I am of making decisions about my life.

No, I don't think guns should be banned.

You quoted one piece...so you ignored the logic.

You never did say those things, I said them for you. You disagreed, but refuse to engage Ina discussion.

So, no gun bans. You are comfortable if your neighbor owns an AR-15, or do you have some limit?

[MoValley John]

My opinion on the issue. We need hard, real jail time for gun offenses. Contrary to data that shows gun control is inffective, hard prison time has been a proven deterrent to gun crime. Hard, 25 year minimums.

I would also accept full background checks if they were free to perform, a set criteria for denying gun ownership was set, and there was due process afforded to those wrongly denied gun ownership. The government should be willing to cover the costs of background checks since this is of such importance to public safety.

You will never deny guns to those motivated to possess them. That said, stiff prison terms would deter much, but not all of illegal gun activity. That is a start. Universal background checks that cost the seller money is not fair, neither is am arbitrary system that allows no recourse if a person is wrongly rejected.

The above, in my opinion, would be great, plus, help keep guns out of the wing hands, all the while, protecting individual rights.

[wufan]

My opinion on the issue. We need hard, real jail time for gun offenses. Contrary to data that shows gun control is inffective, hard prison time has been a proven deterrent to gun crime. Hard, 25 year minimums.

I would also accept full background checks if they were free to perform, a set criteria for denying gun ownership was set, and there was due process afforded to those wrongly denied gun ownership. The government should be willing to cover the costs of background checks since this is of such importance to public safety.

You will never deny guns to those motivated to possess them. That said, stiff prison terms would deter much, but not all of illegal gun activity. That is a start. Universal background checks that cost the seller money is not fair, neither is am arbitrary system that allows no recourse if a person is wrongly rejected.

The above, in my opinion, would be great, plus, help keep guns out of the wing hands, all the while, protecting individual rights.

I agree with this take.

[Kung Wu]

We need to ban hatchets: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...afghan-8445784

[MoValley John]

We need to ban hatchets: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...afghan-8445784

Molly?

[rrshock]

Molly?

Is Molly already illegal?

I guess this isn't a thread about drugs. Sorry.

[WstateU]

A guy walked into a crowded bar, waving his unholstered pistol and
yelled, "I have a Ruger 9mm with a ten shot magazine and I want to know who's been sleeping with my wife."
A voice from the back of the room called out, "You need more ammo."

[Steeleshocker]

What is the appropriate training?

A class associated with demonstration of competency with a firearm that would be concealed seems reasonable to me.

[DwShock]

Yes need to push for the ban of trucks and hatchets. Cause it's never the person behind the curtain.

[SB Shock]

A class associated with demonstration of competency with a firearm that would be concealed seems reasonable to me.

So what would you like to be taught in this class?

What would the test be to demonstrate competency?

If you are former law enforcement or military does your prior firearm training count?

During renewal, do you have conduct refresher training?

Why do you just require this just for carry and conceal? Why not a precursor to purchasing a firearm?