Democratic presidential primary debate #1

[WuDrWu]

By the way, people make fun of the fringe candidates on the right, but Holy God. Webb and Chaffee don't belong on the fry station. At least O'Malley can put a thought together. It's usually a poor one, but he's intelligent.

[SHOXAAC]

By the way, people make fun of the fringe candidates on the right, but Holy God. Webb and Chaffee don't belong on the fry station. At least O'Malley can put a thought together. It's usually a poor one, but he's intelligent.

You are way off base on this one. Webb has been very clear in his presence being ignored by the dialogue. He has only mentioned it as often as the Cubs have hit home runs the past two games.

[Aargh]

I've only paid attention to the highlights (if you can call them that) of both debates. Everything I've heard only reinforces my lack of desire to vote for anybody who's running.

So far I'm most likely to vote for Trump. If that's the best candidate the population can produce, then that's what we deserve.

The attraction of an outsider who isn't on the take from campaign contributors is likely (at this point in time) to hand the election to Trump. I think the voters are totally disgusted with professional politicians who are willing to shut down the government over ideologies that are fairly minor issues to most voters. I think Planned Parenthood and gun control are only serious issues to a minority of voters.

Is Joe Lunchbox more interested in his job stability and fair taxes or Middle East policies? It may not be this election cycle, but some time Joe Lunchbox is going to vote his paycheck and what's left of it when he puts it in the bank.

[SB Shock]

If I go to a sporting goods store and pass the background check, then I can buy a weapon. If I then sell that weapon to someone who could not pass the background check, have I committed a crime?

Yes you have. Straw purchasers are in violation of federal law and the supreme court has upheld the challenge. If caught by the ATF, they will be charged with unlawfully aided and abetting the purchase of firearm and for making a false statement on the Form 4473. Punishable up to $250,000 and 10 years in prison.

[Aargh]

Yes you have. Straw purchasers are in violation of federal law and the supreme court has upheld the challenge. If caught by the ATF, they will be charged with unlawfully aided and abetting the purchase of firearm and for making a false statement on the Form 4473. Punishable up to $250,000 and 10 years in prison.

So, I have been misinformed by those who claim that anybody can go to a gun show and buy any weapon without a background check. Doesn't surprise me.

I'd be willing to add (to the seller) aiding and abetting to any crime committed with an illegally sold weapon. All that would really accomplish is more "stolen gun" police reports.

I know a bunch of people who have extensive firearms collections and are involved in secondary firearms purchases and sales. I'll check with them if background checks are the norm in those transactions.

[tropicalshox]

This is how I believe they did among Democrats. O'Malley might get a very small bump, maybe, but it's a two person race. If Biden enters, he will take away from Clinton and just give Sanders a chance. I don't think Biden could possibly win. Clinton did very well and could of closed the door for Biden. Clinton of course came across more polished, but Sanders might of picked up a point or two. Sanders is a populist and it gets support, much like Trump as a conservative populist. I don't believe Sanders did a lot for people to believe he is electable. Polls will not change very much. The other two can go back to the Republicans.

[tropicalshox]

Just saw on CNN, among Facebook users Sanders was the big winner. I thought it was close. Shows you what I know.

[SB Shock]

Key points of the debate.

Hillary Clinton on why she would not be the third term of Obama ...... I have a vagina.

Hillary Clinton on flip-flopping.....All democrats do it!

Chaffee on why he voted certain way....my dad died and it was my first vote

All Dems agreed that Black Lives Matter, and Republicans Suck and should be sent to re-education camps!

Chaffee still think Bush-Cheney is in the whitehouse.

Sanders wants to change everything that Obama didn't get to.

[Aargh]

If there were still such a category, I'd be a moderate Republican. I'm way too far left to be in the current Tea Party wing of the Repubs and I'm way too far right for the Dems to embrace me. I believe that makes me one of the "Centrist" voters that both parties need to convince. I also believe my political group is probably growing faster than either of the radical left or right positions.

The "Greed is what's wrong with America - now give me 90% of your income" is probably not a way to gain support for your cause. In 1999, between me and my wife we were hauling in $80K a year. My job got sold to England. My wife's job moved to Kansas City. Adjusting from earning $80K to earning $0 wasn't easy and gave me a different outlook on the whole greed vs. capitalism debate.

I understand economics. I understand Capitalism, and I understand greed. In my situation, it wasn't greed, but capitalism that cost me and my wife $80K a year. The changing ownership of the businesses we worked for increased the profits for both the previous and next owners of our businesses.

I've seen both the lifestyles of the upper middle class and the lifestyles of those selling aluminum cans for money for food. Yeah, I've done that.

If someone is making $10 mill a year - and they're paying the same income taxes that I pay on the money I make, but they're paying 90% on the income they have over $5 million, do I care? Yes, I do. Cut that progressive 90% rate down to maybe $2 mill.

[shockmonster]

Tax Reform and loopholes is where the emphasis should be. The problems is that Democrats don't want to cut anything and have already spent any any income on new programs instead of lowering the deficit.

The problem with Trump is I feel like he is trying to sell me a used car. He rambles, repeats himself, and in the end, I feel like he is all bombast and little substance.

[wufan]

getting rid of most income tax deductions would be a good way to make the current tax system better. There is a perception (possibly correct) that folks with large incomes don't actually pay higher taxes due to all of the deductions they are allowed.

If you want to keep your job from going over seas, give large corporations tax deductions to stay in the US and/or locally.

Foreign policy should be important to Joe Lunchbox, because if it is mishandled, the economics change and it becomes cheaper to send jobs over seas.

[WuDrWu]

getting rid of most income tax deductions would be a good way to make the current tax system better. There is a perception (possibly correct) that folks with large incomes don't actually pay higher taxes due to all of the deductions they are allowed.

If you want to keep your job from going over seas, give large corporations tax deductions to stay in the US and/or locally.

Foreign policy should be important to Joe Lunchbox, because if it is mishandled, the economics change and it becomes cheaper to send jobs over seas.

You realize in 3 short paragraphs you said getting rid of deductions is good and then espoused the virtue of tax deductions for corporations, right?

Everything is relative when it comes to qualifiers like "large incomes" and "fair taxes".

I agree, foreign policy SHOULD be important to Joe Lunchbox, and it SHOULD be one of the FEW things that matter to the voters for President. Most of everything else they talk about should be off limits to the Federal government.

@Aargh:, what happened to you and your family sucks, and not just the jobs thing, and someone like you that's worked hard your entire life and lived right deserves better and I wouldn't wish that on anyone and I don't think I know anyone that could handle it as well as you have and I know damned good and well I couldn't. At all.

But I don't know that it's fixable. Things are going to happen and change, and almost every time it's going to be good for some and bad for others. I just don't think that can ever be erased.

Bernie said having a college education today is akin to having a high school education 50 years ago. Does Bernie seriously believe that all of a sudden if we had 5 million kids with PHDs that jobs would magically appear? Unfortunately, I think the answer is yes, he does believe in magic. Maybe he expects Wall Street to pay for their jobs too...and their education.....and their kids.....and their time off to have kids...and their retirement....and their weed.

Have I left out anything?

If there's a perception that people with large income don't pay taxes then it's the fault of liars, media and the people that don't do research. The discussion on taxes has almost nothing to do with what matters. It has practically everything to do with demonizing the rich. I'm telling you folks, study your history. What we don't learn from we're doomed to repeat, and we're headed down the exact same road that led to disaster. Only this time we're going to be wearing the 800 ton anvil that is national and personal debt.

I honestly have no idea who I'm going to support.

[wufan]

@WuDrWu:, yes I realize that. It was intentional. Personal income tax should not be incentivized. Corporate income tax should. That's a very brief statement that I don't explain fully, but it would keep corporations (jobs) in America, and is a start to ending class warfare (ending the perception that the rich don't pay).

[pinstripers]

The inrony of Billary and Bernie speaking about "special interests" buying the Presidency, when all the while they are promising things to THEIR special interest groups, is flabbergasting.

[tropicalshox]

Who are Sanders special interest groups?