Ben Carson

[wufan]

Four months ago Al Jazeera (ran by the royal family of Qatar - not exactly Baghdad) had a poll asking if the respondent supported the actions of ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Roughly 50,000 took the poll with around 80% indicating support for ISIS. Al Jazeera has understandably took down the page, but a google search (via web, image, or news search tabs) will give you about all the evidence you could want of its once existence.

Here's another more substantial piece from Pew outlining global Muslim inclinations for Sharia Law:

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

^There's a ton of data in there, so I'm not going to run with any "vast majority" stuff, but the results are unsettling. How about we just say "majority."

I was aware of a "global" support by Muslims, but since this is about an American Presidential candidate, I'm curios about US support. I couldn't find anything other than leftist fluff pieces stating that American Muslims were against ISIS and other polls stating that 80% of global Muslims support ISIS and/or sympathize.

Of course, given my sheltered existence, perhaps I should only care about Muslims in Augusta and McPherson.

[SHOCKvalue]

I was aware of a "global" support by Muslims, but since this is about an American Presidential candidate, I'm curios about US support. I couldn't find anything other than leftist fluff pieces stating that American Muslims were against ISIS and other polls stating that 80% of global Muslims support ISIS and/or sympathize.

Of course, given my sheltered existence, perhaps I should only care about Muslims in Augusta and McPherson.

What makes you think the numbers for the US-only Muslims would deviate that much? Why are they that much different? We are not talking about a people group that is multiple generations into US assimilation; most of them have spent a good chunk of their lives in the same cultural pools that produce the unpalatable statistics. There's nothing about hopping on a plane and resettling in another geographic area that changes someone to that degree.

To reiterate, I'm not saying these people are ready to strap on bombs or cut off hands, just that they are empathetic to the root movement.

[SHOCKvalue]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...y-believe.html

I just found this article from earlier this year which puts it at 12 percent. It's been a while since I looked into this but seems it's somewhat on the low end of polls I saw. But none that I remember were a world wide majority of Muslins supporting terror activities.

I gave you Al Jazeera and Pew as sources; you gave me dailybeast as a response. I guess you can choose for yourself which one to give more validity to.

I'm really not trying to be a jerk, it is just that you can get any response you want on a heated issue by simply typing in the response you want to receive into google. Dailybeast is a media compliment to Fox News.

[wufan]

What makes you think the numbers for the US-only Muslims would deviate that much? Why are they that much different?

Well, because the Al Jazeer poll was Arab Muslims. A similar poll in Europe had less than 50% as supporting a Muslim state. The articles are kind of difficult to follow as the question read: (paraphrased) what's your opinion on ISIS, with the choices being - very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable, very unfavorable.

Some articles claim that all responses except very unfavorable are pro ISIS. If you follow that logic, then 65% of French, 55% of British, and 45% of German people are pro-ISIS (though less than 5% in all countries actually selected very favorable). In actuality, greater than 70% of those polled selected somewhat or very unfavorable.

I would lend that to there being a distinction between American Muslims and those quoted by the Arab TV station. What I am curious about is American Muslims...those that I've had experience with in Augusta and McPherson.

[Dave Stalwart]

The impression I got was that Ben Carson wouldn't support anyone who follows or has an inclination toward Sharia law. I got that impression because he said it. I don't think he is trying to make the point that someone who has a different religion than him is not fit to lead the country.

Sharia law is hilariously bad. Don't forget about that during this quest for political correctness that seems to be happening. It is so bad, you want to laugh but then you remember it is real. That's the thing Ben Carson is talking about. I guess I wouldn't want someone who agrees with the leader of North Korea to be our president either. Does that make me a racist...or intolerant?

If Ben Carson made any mistake at all, it was assuming people would rather go after the way he said it instead of listening to what he said. In order to disagree with him, you have to be okay with having a president who practices sharia law. If you don't want that, then you agree with Ben Carson.

[SB Shock]

There was a poll done this summer of Muslim. 51% believed they should have a choice of whether they are governed under sharia. 20-25% believed that violence was acceptable in implementing shariah law or in instances where Muhammad was disrespected.

There is a pew research poll world wide that details Muslim beliefs on sharia.

[wufan]

Thanks SB! Was it American Muslims? Do you have a link?

[SHOCKvalue]

Thanks SB! Was it American Muslims? Do you have a link?

You have to be kidding.

[shocka khan]

You have to be kidding.

He's not kidding and he's trying to make a point. Western muslims become assimilated to western traditions and thinking. They're not like your typical arab muslim.

In addition, the context of the topic is Ben Carson's statement regarding muslims being elected president and the argument being advanced is 'No muslim who supports Sharia law should be elected president.'

Since only Americans can vote, it is a relevant question. I would highly doubt that most western muslims (and those in the United States) are in favor of creating and enforcing a system of Sharia law, because they saw that, the lack of opportunity and diversity in their countries and were smart enough to want to come to this country and become citizens.

During the citizenship oath (which all these people have to take) there's a part about supporting and defending US laws.

On the tiny chance that there isn't, I would also state that anyone of any religion who does not support our country's laws and constitution should be summarily deported to the country of their choice.

[SHOCKvalue]

He's not kidding and he's trying to make a point.

I am too. Here:

SB Shock alludes to a Pew study on Muslims > wufan asks for a link > I make a sarcastic response on wufan wanting a link > you quote me and run the other direction than what I meant. All the while, over 4 hours ago I mentioned the Pew study, and posted a link to the Pew study. In fact, wufan quoted that post in a response to me.

I'm just pointing out reading comprehension issues here. wufan's opinion varies from my own, which is all fine and good, but he's engaging me while not even reading my responses apparently.

[SB Shock]

Thanks SB! Was it American Muslims? Do you have a link?

It was poll of American Muslims. The pew research is poll of Muslims internstionally. I haven't link but there is polls on Britian Muslims - they run at 45%. I would think that if you looked at trends in Britian you might see whether their is a trend of assimilation or not.

I will see about links tonight, but the USA was pretty big news so a simple Google search will find it and the response from both side of the issue.

[SHOCKvalue]

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[Dave Stalwart]

Does anyone think president Obama would say he supports a presidential candidate who practices sharia law? What are we really even debating here?

No one thinks this country should be governed by sharia law. This is just another way to be a republican or a democrat and hold the party line on whatever got said. Since it was Ben Carson that said it, and he didn't say it perfectly, it's a huge problem but no one actually disagrees. If Hilary or Bernie said the same sentence, the entire conversation would be identical, but reversed.

[wufan]

It was poll of American Muslims. The pew research is poll of Muslims internstionally. I haven't link but there is polls on Britian Muslims - they run at 45%. I would think that if you looked at trends in Britian you might see whether their is a trend of assimilation or not.

I will see about links tonight, but the USA was pretty big news so a simple Google search will find it and the response from both side of the issue.

Yes, was curious about American Muslims where as the PEW poll was Arab Muslims internationally. That's why I was looking for more info. I was able to find the US poll. There are far too many American Muslims that support Sharia law but it's not a majority.

[SB Shock]

Yes, was curious about American Muslims where as the PEW poll was Arab Muslims internationally. That's why I was looking for more info. I was able to find the US poll. There are far too many American Muslims that support Sharia law but it's not a majority.

51% is a majority