Daniel Perry Trial

[1972Shocker]

This post included a tweet that was apparently false.

See past #58 below.

[ShockerFever]

They are in the top 10, but I also don't think we want to be like most of the top 10. They're mostly authoritarian governments whose people lack a lot of personal freedoms we take for granted. There are a couple of exceptions in the top 10, but those exceptions are definitely more culture related.

1. Qatar (No Thanks)
2. UAE (No Thanks)
3. Taiwan (Culture)
4. Oman (No Thanks)
5. Armenia (No Thanks)
6. Hong Kong (Culture/No Thanks) (Not sure if this is because of China or if it's truly cultural)
7. Japan (Culture)
8. Singapore (No Thanks)
9. Slovenia (Need to do research)
10. Bahrain (No Thanks)

Those are rankings based on Crime per 100K people.

Should our justice system work better? Absolutely. Should we resort to punishments like countries none of us would ever want to live in? Absolutely not. Should we strive to change our culture in regards to things like this and how we view each other like Japan and a few outside of the top 10? Absolutely we should strive for that, but that takes a lot of work from a lot of people and many of them just don't care enough.

Also, our justice system needs to do a better job of rehabilitation rather than just throwing people in cells for X amount of time and then releasing them back into the public after treating each of them like animals and doing nothing to try and have them better prepared to re-enter society.

Our criminal justice system is insanely soft and look what it’s gotten us. 75% of criminals just get a slap on the wrist for crimes and don’t even get any jail time. They get out and become repeat offenders over and over again. Why? Because they aren’t scared of being punished. You’re right. Our system needs an overhaul and it’s not because it’s too “harsh”.

As Doc stated, if there is no deterrent to do crime, then it happens over and over again. If a guy knew that his dick was getting cut off if he got convicted for rape, do you think we’d have more or less rapists out there? If you burned someone alive for no reason, and your punishment was to be burned to death, do you think someone would think twice?

This isn’t rocket science. The ideology of doing everything to appease the criminal is amazing to me. Maybe it’s because you haven’t been directly affected with crime. If someone broke into your mom’s house, robbed her and beat her up, do you think that person should be up for probation in 5 months?

You already get Xbox, 70 inch TVs, a personal gym membership, free education in prison. Do you think the “rehabilitation” process is working? Maybe for a select few, rehabilitation would work. But for the majority, you’re just stuck witty evil pond scum that will continue to do what they do when they get out regardless of the “rehabilitation” process because they’re evil, they’re not scared of punishment, and/or they know they’ll be walking the streets again in days.

And don’t even get me started on all of this if the criminal behavior is stemming from an illegal.

[ShockerFever]

Btw, the victim was fairly young white woman. It’s not being shown on a lot of mainstream media. I wonder why?

This should be charged as a hate crime as well but of course that’s not possible. If it was a white guy that did this to a black woman, there would probably be riots on the streets right now because of race, race, race.

[ShockTalk]

[QUOTE=1972Shocker;n1466576]Fanning the flames:

Notice what appears to be a cop of security just casually strolling by.


WHAT THE *UCK!!!!

Never thought I'd say it, but someone definitely needs a much LONGER tortuous death.

Yes, I want to know what that policeman/security guard thought he was doing??? He needs some up and comings as well.

[SubGod22]

Our criminal justice system is insanely soft and look what it’s gotten us. 75% of criminals just get a slap on the wrist for crimes and don’t even get any jail time. They get out and become repeat offenders over and over again. Why? Because they aren’t scared of being punished. You’re right. Our system needs an overhaul and it’s not because it’s too “harsh”.

As Doc stated, if there is no deterrent to do crime, then it happens over and over again. If a guy knew that his dick was getting cut off if he got convicted for rape, do you think we’d have more or less rapists out there? If you burned someone alive for no reason, and your punishment was to be burned to death, do you think someone would think twice?

This isn’t rocket science. The ideology of doing everything to appease the criminal is amazing to me. Maybe it’s because you haven’t been directly affected with crime. If someone broke into your mom’s house, robbed her and beat her up, do you think that person should be up for bail in 5 months?

You already get Xbox, 70 inch TVs, a personal gym membership, free education in prison. Do you think the “rehabilitation” process is working? Maybe for a select few, rehabilitation would work. But for the majority, you’re just stuck witty evil pond scum that will continue to do what they do when they get out regardless of the “rehabilitation” process because they’re evil, they’re not scared of punishment, and/or they know they’ll be walking the streets again in days.

And don’t even get me started on all of this if the criminal behavior is stemming from an illegal.

Who said our punishments were too harsh? You referenced a country whose punishments are beyond harsh as if it were something we should look up to.

Rehab isn't a focus in most prisons. You're saying that they can willingly get an education or have access to workout equipment as rehab? We should do more in regards to therapy and emotional education and such. Help them get skills that can help them function in society. When active rehab has been used, which is far too little, the rate of recidivism goes down drastically. Most people in prison are essentially just put there and left to exist until their time runs out. So of course a lot of them fail when released and it should be expected as we do little or nothing to help them exist in society.

Our punishment is out of whack. We have rapist and child abusers and murders who spend less time in prison than those who commit victimless crimes.

I don't think physically beating people who break laws, minor or major, is a good idea. Sure, it might keep some people from doing minor crimes but it wouldn't do anything to prevent the incident we're talking about now. This guy should spend a lot of time in prison, and while there, he should get some sort of therapy work and such to see if just maybe he can be fixed, be it with medication or otherwise. Maybe this guy is just way too dark and sick to exist in society, I don't know. What he did was pretty heinous. But I also know we have major mental health issues in this country and they're greatly ignored, especially when it comes to crime and criminal activity. Not that it's an excuse to commit crimes, but when it goes unresolved/treated you can't really expect anything to change.

And in general terms, a lot of crime is committed by people who are already seen, or at least feel, as if they're outcasts with little hope. This comes back to the cultural aspect in a lot of ways, but those people can be helped when they're in prison if we're willing to do it. Just throwing them behind bars and then letting them out isn't going to change their perspective or knowledge on how to live within society and now they have a felony record that many businesses will automatically shut them out from and it makes living life on the up and up even more challenging for them.

So as I've stated previously, our criminal justice system needs a lot of work. Violent offenders should be spending more time in prison than non-violent ones. Violent offenders also shouldn't be getting off with a slap on the wrist and released. I don't think anybody has argued for that here. I just don't think using a country that uses violence for the smallest of crimes as an example of how to achieve a lower crime rate is the way to go. I don't trust our government enough to give them that kind of power to abuse. Even if I did trust our government, I wouldn't give them that kind of power. It's also why I understand why some support capital punishment for the worst of the worst, I'd rather let those people live their lives in prison than to risk executing an innocent soul, which this country has done more than once.

[SubGod22]

WHAT THE *UCK!!!!

Never thought I'd say it, but someone definitely needs a much LONGER tortuous death.

Yes, I want to know what that policeman/security guard thought he was doing??? He needs some up and comings as well.

Unfortunately, police are under no obligation to actually help.

[pinstripers]

Who said our punishments were too harsh? You referenced a country whose punishments are beyond harsh as if it were something we should look up to.

Rehab isn't a focus in most prisons. You're saying that they can willingly get an education or have access to workout equipment as rehab? We should do more in regards to therapy and emotional education and such. Help them get skills that can help them function in society. When active rehab has been used, which is far too little, the rate of recidivism goes down drastically. Most people in prison are essentially just put there and left to exist until their time runs out. So of course a lot of them fail when released and it should be expected as we do little or nothing to help them exist in society.

Our punishment is out of whack. We have rapist and child abusers and murders who spend less time in prison than those who commit victimless crimes.

I don't think physically beating people who break laws, minor or major, is a good idea. Sure, it might keep some people from doing minor crimes but it wouldn't do anything to prevent the incident we're talking about now. This guy should spend a lot of time in prison, and while there, he should get some sort of therapy work and such to see if just maybe he can be fixed, be it with medication or otherwise. Maybe this guy is just way too dark and sick to exist in society, I don't know. What he did was pretty heinous. But I also know we have major mental health issues in this country and they're greatly ignored, especially when it comes to crime and criminal activity. Not that it's an excuse to commit crimes, but when it goes unresolved/treated you can't really expect anything to change.

And in general terms, a lot of crime is committed by people who are already seen, or at least feel, as if they're outcasts with little hope. This comes back to the cultural aspect in a lot of ways, but those people can be helped when they're in prison if we're willing to do it. Just throwing them behind bars and then letting them out isn't going to change their perspective or knowledge on how to live within society and now they have a felony record that many businesses will automatically shut them out from and it makes living life on the up and up even more challenging for them.

So as I've stated previously, our criminal justice system needs a lot of work. Violent offenders should be spending more time in prison than non-violent ones. Violent offenders also shouldn't be getting off with a slap on the wrist and released. I don't think anybody has argued for that here. I just don't think using a country that uses violence for the smallest of crimes as an example of how to achieve a lower crime rate is the way to go. I don't trust our government enough to give them that kind of power to abuse. Even if I did trust our government, I wouldn't give them that kind of power. It's also why I understand why some support capital punishment for the worst of the worst, I'd rather let those people live their lives in prison than to risk executing an innocent soul, which this country has done more than once.

Our prison system needs work. Damn right. Changes nothing about this one particular crime, which is what we were discussing.

[Atxshoxfan]

Electrocute the worthless POS.

Which is cheaper, electrocution or a 22 bullet?

[1972Shocker]

Which is cheaper, electrocution or a 22 bullet?

A match.

[Atxshoxfan]

A match.

Perfect.... I can spare one and would gladly light it and start the fire.

[ShockerFever]

Who said our punishments were too harsh? You referenced a country whose punishments are beyond harsh as if it were something we should look up to.

Rehab isn't a focus in most prisons. You're saying that they can willingly get an education or have access to workout equipment as rehab? We should do more in regards to therapy and emotional education and such. Help them get skills that can help them function in society. When active rehab has been used, which is far too little, the rate of recidivism goes down drastically. Most people in prison are essentially just put there and left to exist until their time runs out. So of course a lot of them fail when released and it should be expected as we do little or nothing to help them exist in society.

Our punishment is out of whack. We have rapist and child abusers and murders who spend less time in prison than those who commit victimless crimes.

I don't think physically beating people who break laws, minor or major, is a good idea. Sure, it might keep some people from doing minor crimes but it wouldn't do anything to prevent the incident we're talking about now. This guy should spend a lot of time in prison, and while there, he should get some sort of therapy work and such to see if just maybe he can be fixed, be it with medication or otherwise. Maybe this guy is just way too dark and sick to exist in society, I don't know. What he did was pretty heinous. But I also know we have major mental health issues in this country and they're greatly ignored, especially when it comes to crime and criminal activity. Not that it's an excuse to commit crimes, but when it goes unresolved/treated you can't really expect anything to change.

And in general terms, a lot of crime is committed by people who are already seen, or at least feel, as if they're outcasts with little hope. This comes back to the cultural aspect in a lot of ways, but those people can be helped when they're in prison if we're willing to do it. Just throwing them behind bars and then letting them out isn't going to change their perspective or knowledge on how to live within society and now they have a felony record that many businesses will automatically shut them out from and it makes living life on the up and up even more challenging for them.

So as I've stated previously, our criminal justice system needs a lot of work. Violent offenders should be spending more time in prison than non-violent ones. Violent offenders also shouldn't be getting off with a slap on the wrist and released. I don't think anybody has argued for that here. I just don't think using a country that uses violence for the smallest of crimes as an example of how to achieve a lower crime rate is the way to go. I don't trust our government enough to give them that kind of power to abuse. Even if I did trust our government, I wouldn't give them that kind of power. It's also why I understand why some support capital punishment for the worst of the worst, I'd rather let those people live their lives in prison than to risk executing an innocent soul, which this country has done more than once.

The mental health thing is aggravated by lax drug laws. They both go hand in hand. More drug use leads to more mental health issues and vice versa. And it's not an excuse. That was someone's child that literally suffered the worst death possible FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER. I don't care if the dude was mentally ill or whacked on something or just evil in general. I would not want to see that specimen walking the earth again. Heinous is an understatement.

A person who does this deserves no rehab. They deserve a painful death.

It's amazing to me that some people sympathize more with the criminal's life than a victim's life. It's unreal.

[1972Shocker]

In post #50 above I posted a tweet reportedly identifying the subway fire victim.

That was apparrently a fake As far as I know the identity of the victim has not yet been disclosed.

So I am going to delete that.

[ShockTalk]

In post #50 above I posted a tweet reportedly identifying the subway fire victim.

That was apparrently a fake As far as I know the identity of the victim has not yet been disclosed.

So I am going to delete that.

I cleaned up my post quoting you.