Daniel Perry Trial

[WuDrWu]

BREAKING: The man arrested for setting a sleeping woman on fire in the NYC subway is a Guatemalan migrant. He lit the woman on fire and watched her burn to de*th inside a Coney Island F train. Source: New York Post

You are completely and intentionally ignoring the plight of this man that came to our country in search of a better life. Racist.

[Kung Wu]

BREAKING: The man arrested for setting a sleeping woman on fire in the NYC subway is a Guatemalan migrant. He lit the woman on fire and watched her burn to de*th inside a Coney Island F train. Source: New York Post

Pretty infuriating.

[WuDrWu]

Pretty infuriating.

It's almost as if there's something internally that allows us to somehow dismiss abhorrent behavior like this as something impossible to comprehend.

If that makes sense...?

Like my soul is telling me "this really didn't happen because it's so evil it can't really happen". I mean, I know it really did happen, it's just incredibly difficult to accept something that evil is even possible.

[ShockerPrez]

If you are not a US citizen and commit a crime, the penalty should be the max. ie, if the sentencing guidelines are 1-3 years, it's automatically 3 years, then deportation. If you commit a misdemeanor, its deportation.

If you commit a violent felony, its double the max, then deportation.

Crime by foreigners, legal or not should be less than tolerated and severly punished.

It seems like US citizens are treated like garbage in other countries, and for the most part, I'm fine wit it, because its their country and US citizens doing stupid **** while abroad fall under the FAFO principle. And even when citizens aren't they still get railroaded.

That being said, we need to start putting some of these punk ass MFers against a wall and sending a message that your criminal POS,s aren't welcome and no one in America is going to give a rat's ass about you if you start making life for citizens here difficult.

[ShockerFever]

Electrocute the worthless POS.

[ShockerFever]

Anybody wanna know why Singapore has the lowest crime rate in the world?

It’s rocket science to a lot of people.

[SubGod22]

Anybody wanna know why Singapore has the lowest crime rate in the world?

It’s rocket science to a lot of people.

They are in the top 10, but I also don't think we want to be like most of the top 10. They're mostly authoritarian governments whose people lack a lot of personal freedoms we take for granted. There are a couple of exceptions in the top 10, but those exceptions are definitely more culture related.

1. Qatar (No Thanks)
2. UAE (No Thanks)
3. Taiwan (Culture)
4. Oman (No Thanks)
5. Armenia (No Thanks)
6. Hong Kong (Culture/No Thanks) (Not sure if this is because of China or if it's truly cultural)
7. Japan (Culture)
8. Singapore (No Thanks)
9. Slovenia (Need to do research)
10. Bahrain (No Thanks)

Those are rankings based on Crime per 100K people.

Should our justice system work better? Absolutely. Should we resort to punishments like countries none of us would ever want to live in? Absolutely not. Should we strive to change our culture in regards to things like this and how we view each other like Japan and a few outside of the top 10? Absolutely we should strive for that, but that takes a lot of work from a lot of people and many of them just don't care enough.

Also, our justice system needs to do a better job of rehabilitation rather than just throwing people in cells for X amount of time and then releasing them back into the public after treating each of them like animals and doing nothing to try and have them better prepared to re-enter society.

[C0|dB|00ded]

They are in the top 10, but I also don't think we want to be like most of the top 10. They're mostly authoritarian governments whose people lack a lot of personal freedoms we take for granted. There are a couple of exceptions in the top 10, but those exceptions are definitely more culture related.

1. Qatar (No Thanks)
2. UAE (No Thanks)
3. Taiwan (Culture)
4. Oman (No Thanks)
5. Armenia (No Thanks)
6. Hong Kong (Culture/No Thanks) (Not sure if this is because of China or if it's truly cultural)
7. Japan (Culture)
8. Singapore (No Thanks)
9. Slovenia (Need to do research)
10. Bahrain (No Thanks)

Those are rankings based on Crime per 100K people.

Should our justice system work better? Absolutely. Should we resort to punishments like countries none of us would ever want to live in? Absolutely not. Should we strive to change our culture in regards to things like this and how we view each other like Japan and a few outside of the top 10? Absolutely we should strive for that, but that takes a lot of work from a lot of people and many of them just don't care enough.

Also, our justice system needs to do a better job of rehabilitation rather than just throwing people in cells for X amount of time and then releasing them back into the public after treating each of them like animals and doing nothing to try and have them better prepared to re-enter society.

Well reasoned answer! You sound unplugged sir.

[WuDrWu]

You two need to get a chat room.....

As long as you're masked and vaxed, of course.

[1972Shocker]

BREAKING: The man arrested for setting a sleeping woman on fire in the NYC subway is a Guatemalan migrant. He lit the woman on fire and watched her burn to de*th inside a Coney Island F train. Source: New York Post

Why were people not doing anything to help? Two words: Daniel Penny. Those who would’ve intervened risked being charged with second-degree murder because that’s what New York DAs do; coddle the criminals and punish the law-abiding. Watch this guy get released on bail.

Joe Biden still has 27 days left. Maybe he will give this guy a pre-emptive pardon.

[pinstripers]

They are in the top 10, but I also don't think we want to be like most of the top 10. They're mostly authoritarian governments whose people lack a lot of personal freedoms we take for granted. There are a couple of exceptions in the top 10, but those exceptions are definitely more culture related.

1. Qatar (No Thanks)
2. UAE (No Thanks)
3. Taiwan (Culture)
4. Oman (No Thanks)
5. Armenia (No Thanks)
6. Hong Kong (Culture/No Thanks) (Not sure if this is because of China or if it's truly cultural)
7. Japan (Culture)
8. Singapore (No Thanks)
9. Slovenia (Need to do research)
10. Bahrain (No Thanks)

Those are rankings based on Crime per 100K people.

Should our justice system work better? Absolutely. Should we resort to punishments like countries none of us would ever want to live in? Absolutely not. Should we strive to change our culture in regards to things like this and how we view each other like Japan and a few outside of the top 10? Absolutely we should strive for that, but that takes a lot of work from a lot of people and many of them just don't care enough.

Also, our justice system needs to do a better job of rehabilitation rather than just throwing people in cells for X amount of time and then releasing them back into the public after treating each of them like animals and doing nothing to try and have them better prepared to re-enter society.

Whatever, but this guy needs to be ****ing dead

[SubGod22]

Whatever, but this guy needs to be ****ing dead

I'm not saying this guy doesn't deserve to be punished, but Singapore, like many of the others at the top of the low crime list, have insanely severe and harsh punishments for very small things.

Remember the American teen that I think did a little graffiti or something years ago and his punishment was to be caned something like 40 times?

Our criminal justice system has a lot of areas it should improve in. Holding violent offenders accountable would be one of them. Trying to rehabilitate them, and others, once they're in there should also be another. Guessing this guy has some serious mental health issues that need to be treated as well. Sometimes that can help long term. Sometimes people have too much going on up there to be safe in society. The way the current system works, this guy would be thrown in prison for years and while there he would receive little to no treatment for whatever may ail him and then would eventually be released back onto the streets without a second thought. Things need to change in that regard as well.

There are also certain areas of the country that will make excuses for this guy and try to give him the least amount of punishment that they can get away with, and still not give him the help he may need. That's also a problem that needs to be remedied.

The answer though is not to be like the heavy handed authoritarian regimes around the world.

[pinstripers]

I'm not saying this guy doesn't deserve to be punished, but Singapore, like many of the others at the top of the low crime list, have insanely severe and harsh punishments for very small things.

Remember the American teen that I think did a little graffiti or something years ago and his punishment was to be caned something like 40 times?

Our criminal justice system has a lot of areas it should improve in. Holding violent offenders accountable would be one of them. Trying to rehabilitate them, and others, once they're in there should also be another. Guessing this guy has some serious mental health issues that need to be treated as well. Sometimes that can help long term. Sometimes people have too much going on up there to be safe in society. The way the current system works, this guy would be thrown in prison for years and while there he would receive little to no treatment for whatever may ail him and then would eventually be released back onto the streets without a second thought. Things need to change in that regard as well.

There are also certain areas of the country that will make excuses for this guy and try to give him the least amount of punishment that they can get away with, and still not give him the help he may need. That's also a problem that needs to be remedied.

The answer though is not to be like the heavy handed authoritarian regimes around the world.

This guy needs to be ****ing dead. Period.

[WuDrWu]

Being nice doesn't get a lot done for those looking to do bad, those with little or no respect for others, or those selfish enough to believe their own wants outweigh those they harm.

It doesn't feel like our punishment system is terribly effective in the deterrence of others. People don't seem to be concerned enough of the punishment for crimes, especially small crimes.


Michael Fay got 4 months in a Singapore jail (probably the worst part of the sentence) a $2K fine and 4 cane hits. None of that sounds pleasant. ALL of that deters me from vandalizing in Singapore. The same thing probably gets him a fine, at worst, and probation in the US. That's practically inviting vandalism.

I've said here before I have gone back and forth on capital punishment. There's no doubt that some monsters out there deserve to no longer walk this Earth. I also think taking a life is abhorrent and an awful thing to ask or demand someone to do to another in the name of judicial governance. And we can still be wrong.

I agree we need to rehab more effectively. I still believe supermaxes in Alaska are the way to go for the worst of the worst. And if anyone in prison wants to walk away, permanently (suicide) I think we should provide a path, somehow. Let them live with the consequences.

It's hard to argue that what we're doing today isn't working all that well. Maybe others have better answers?

[pinstripers]

itchie Torres @RitchieTorres

Two hours ago, Kathy Hochul took a victory lap for making subways “safer.” She congratulates herself on the same day two subway riders were stabbed in Queens (one in the face and one in the chest) and another was barbarically burned alive. Has there ever been a more tone-deaf Governor in the history of New York?