Conservatives vs. Progressives vs. Trump's supporters

[Aargh]

There are conservative Republican ideologies I strongly support. There are progressive (often called Socialist) ideologies that I support. There are elements of both that I despise. Trickle Down and Green New Deal are not good goals in my thinking.

From this point on I will strongly support traditional conservative Republicans as opposed to Trump Republicans. I have some differences with some of their (Conservatives) goals, but that's just a disagreement. Disagreements can lead to discussion, which leads to solutions that neither side really likes, but is probably best for the governance of our nation.

I'm hoping that traditional conservative Republicans will distance themselves from Trump. Trump has enacted some goals of conservatives, but he's also called for the overthrow of the democracy in violation of the Constitution. I despise trickle down, but trickle down is infinitely better than telling a large group of protestors to march on the Capitol with courage and bravery.

[wufan]

There are conservative Republican ideologies I strongly support. There are progressive (often called Socialist) ideologies that I support. There are elements of both that I despise. Trickle Down and Green New Deal are not good goals in my thinking.

From this point on I will strongly support traditional conservative Republicans as opposed to Trump Republicans. I have some differences with some of their (Conservatives) goals, but that's just a disagreement. Disagreements can lead to discussion, which leads to solutions that neither side really likes, but is probably best for the governance of our nation.

I'm hoping that traditional conservative Republicans will distance themselves from Trump. Trump has enacted some goals of conservatives, but he's also called for the overthrow of the democracy in violation of the Constitution. I despise trickle down, but trickle down is infinitely better than telling a large group of protestors to march on the Capitol with courage and bravery.

Just a question, not a criticism:

Would you say you are anti-populist? Trump and Bernie are/were the most prominent populists. AOC might be a populist as well. McConnel, Cruz, Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, and Harris would be prominent politicians that are not populist, but would probably be considered elitist or establishment.

I don’t consider myself as a supporter of populists or elitists; but I’m curious if so see another “category” of prominent politicians that are of good character and intent that can have these discussions in good faith.

[Shockm]

There are conservative Republican ideologies I strongly support. There are progressive (often called Socialist) ?ideologies that I support. There are elements of both that I despise. Trickle Down and Green New Deal are not good goals in my thinking.

From this point on I will strongly support traditional conservative Republicans as opposed to Trump Republicans. I have some differences with some of their (Conservatives) goals, but that's just a disagreement. Disagreements can lead to discussion, which leads to solutions that neither side really likes, but is probably best for the governance of our nation.

I'm hoping that traditional conservative Republicans will distance themselves from Trump. Trump has enacted some goals of conservatives, but he's also called for the overthrow of the democracy in violation of the Constitution. I despise trickle down, but trickle down is infinitely better than telling a large group of protestors to march on the Capitol with courage and bravery.

To add on to Wufan's questions;;;;;;;;;

Do you support the men and women who are blue collar workers?

Do you support open borders or limiting immigration?

Do you support free speech or does it depend on if people agree with you?

Should we tax more or less?

[SB Shock]

I actually see the political spectrum being broken into 3 parties

Democrats
Republicans
MAGA

[jdmee]

What is a Trump Supporter? What are the policies of a Trump Supporter? Or are Trump Supporter just about the man?

[wufan]

I actually see the political spectrum being broken into 3 parties

Democrats
Republicans
MAGA

I see populist and establishment.

[wufan]

What is a Trump Supporter? What are the policies of a Trump Supporter? Or are Trump Supporter just about the man?

I would say there are a few different things about Trump that appealed to those who voted for him in varying degrees:

1. Some people felt he stood up for them against the establishment.

2. Some liked that he took on the media in a way that no recent Republican was able to do

3. Some liked his policies

4. Some liked the economy

5. Some just wanted to raise the middle finger to their opposition

I voted for him second time around because I felt that 1, 3, and 4 produced more good than harm. He lost a lot of ground on 4 due to Covid, and recent events have made 1 more harmful than helpful.

[Shockm]

I see populist and establishment.

I think this is largely correct. But For example- Immigration
Establishment Dems - Support Unions where Union leaders flourish, often not workers. But now many support open borders. (Groups are organizing in C. America thru Mexico-where Trump policy thwarted attempts)
Establishment Rep. - Support illegals because of cheap labor
Populist- Pressure Mexico to enforce south border. Workers wages were increasing. And Can.-US-Mex. Trade Agreement. Also Education emphasized Tech schools as option over just college

[C0|dB|00ded]

I was on board w/ Trump until around June when he started to make decisions that I could not justify no matter which way I tilted my head. His decision to hold indoor rallies just as infections where rising in the summer was a clear act of reckless endangerment for the benefit of his personal reelection efforts. It came on the heels of some eyebrow raising comments regarding the pandemic. It was clear that he was frustrated and had chosen to deny reality and head in the other direction regardless of the cost. On that day, I said goodbye. Coincidentally, Mick Mulvaney who just resigned from Trump's cabinet, said Trump hasn't been the same for 8 months. In light of the fact that his staff saw exactly what I saw, I feel very good that I chose not to vote for his reelection. And even though he did some good for my party, all things considered: Covid & Coup Attempt... I probably shouldn't have voted for him in '16. I won't make the same mistake again.

[Shockm]

I was on board w/ Trump until around June when he started to make decisions that I could not justify no matter which way I tilted my head. His decision to hold indoor rallies just as infections where rising in the summer was a clear act of reckless endangerment for the benefit of his personal reelection efforts. It came on the heels of some eyebrow raising comments regarding the pandemic. It was clear that he was frustrated and had chosen to deny reality and head in the other direction regardless of the cost. On that day, I said goodbye. Coincidentally, Mick Mulvaney who just resigned from Trump's cabinet, said Trump hasn't been the same for 8 months. In light of the fact that his staff saw exactly what I saw, I feel very good that I chose not to vote for his reelection. And even though he did some good for my party, all things considered: Covid & Coup Attempt... I probably shouldn't have voted for him in '16. I won't make the same mistake again.

You need to think outside your box that you’ve pinned yourself into. He’s gone imo, so discuss the policies. They probably aren’t going away Just who will assume the new leadership. That’s why Cruz and Hawley were inserting themselves into the voting protest before the riots. They want to position themselves into the leadership conversation (now leadership vacuum).

[SB Shock]

What is a Trump Supporter? What are the policies of a Trump Supporter? Or are Trump Supporter just about the man?

cult of personality

[C0|dB|00ded]

You need to think outside your box that you’ve pinned yourself into. He’s gone imo, so discuss the policies. They probably aren’t going away Just who will assume the new leadership. That’s why Cruz and Hawley were inserting themselves into the voting protest before the riots. They want to position themselves into the leadership conversation (now leadership vacuum).

I'm not in a box my friend. The problem w/ Trump is far from over. He needs to face criminal prosecution after he leaves office so he becomes completely alienated. This never HAD to happen, but perhaps it was inevitable considering the man.

As far as Ted Cruz is concerned, he has lost much of his credibility IMO. He sold out to a guy that won the presidency calling him a liar. He has to feel absolutely miserable alone in his thoughts. He was right initially when he called Trump a “pathological liar,” “utterly amoral,” “a narcissist at a level I don’t think this country’s ever seen” and “a serial philanderer.” All that was true yet he sold out.

If Ted tries to appeal to the Trumpers, he's going to fail. The Trumpers need to be dissolved. We need a Centrist Republican who's not crazy. I don't think a fundamentalist Christian is going to win a presidential election again in America. I could be wrong though. But a Christian Republican that says he believes all religions should feel welcome in America is going to have a shot. He's gotta be slick, he's gotta be compassionate, and he's gotta have balls. And he's gotta pass a psychological health test. >_<

[C0|dB|00ded]

cult of personality

Correct. I was gonna type that exact phrase a couples times.

[Shockm]

I'm not in a box my friend. The problem w/ Trump is far from over. He needs to face criminal prosecution after he leaves office so he becomes completely alienated. This never HAD to happen, but perhaps it was inevitable considering the man.

As far as Ted Cruz is concerned, he has lost much of his credibility IMO. He sold out to a guy that won the presidency calling him a liar. He has to feel absolutely miserable alone in his thoughts. He was right initially when he called Trump a “pathological liar,” “utterly amoral,” “a narcissist at a level I don’t think this country’s ever seen” and “a serial philanderer.” All that was true yet he sold out.

If Ted tries to appeal to the Trumpers, he's going to fail. The Trumpers need to be dissolved. We need a Centrist Republican who's not crazy. I don't think a fundamentalist Christian is going to win a presidential election again in America. I could be wrong though. But a Christian Republican that says he believes all religions should feel welcome in America is going to have a shot. He's gotta be slick, he's gotta be compassionate, and he's gotta have balls. And he's gotta pass a psychological health test. >_<

You are like the Democrat Party. They will be lost going forward. They won’t know how to do anything without being able to criticize Trump. Today, Pres. Elect Biden talked once again about Russia which is about old news. So you don’t like Ted Cruz. I only mentioned him because of his ambitions. I won’t choose the new leader and you won’t either. Im not sure what will happen as we move forward, but I feel relatively sure that the Old Republican Establishment won’t be the path in the New Year.

[C0|dB|00ded]

You are like the Democrat Party. They will be lost going forward. They won’t know how to do anything without being able to criticize Trump. Today, Pres. Elect Biden talked once again about Russia which is about old news. So you don’t like Ted Cruz. I only mentioned him because of his ambitions. I won’t choose the new leader and you won’t either. Im not sure what will happen as we move forward, but I feel relatively sure that the Old Republican Establishment won’t be the path in the New Year.

I have no interest in talking about Trump ever again as long as I live. I wish he would fall into a societal blackhole and disappear. If he resurfaces like a stubborn mold and tries to recollect "his party" for the next general election, you will certainly hear me ***** and it will have nothing to do with obsession.

I have absolutely been changed from this whole Trump/Covid deal. Nothing is off the table. I have seen a side of "my party" that makes my stomach turn. Never again will I vote R no matter what. From now on everybody around the center is going to get a fair shot at my vote. Otherwise I will not vote at all. I didn't like McCain's disposition so I didn't vote, but then I vote for a guy like Trump?? To be fair, we were all voting for The Apprentice Trump and got whatever the **** he became.