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    Does it exist?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/coronav...portionate?amp

    Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, said Tuesday that he thinks institutional racism has played a role in the disproportionate impact the coronavirus outbreak has had on the Black community in the U.S.

    "Obviously the African American community has suffered from racism for a very, very long period of time and I cannot imagine that that has not contributed to the conditions that they find themselves in economically and otherwise," Fauci said while testifying before the House Energy and Commerce Committee.
    What the **** is Dr. Fauci talking about here?

    Please somebody enlighten me on Institutional Racism.

    Affirmative action was introduced through the Employment Equality Act, 55 in 1998, 4 years after the end of apartheid. This act was passed to promote the constitutional right of equality and exercise true democracy.
    22 years of getting a free pass to the front of the line in anything and everything regardless of qualifications. Will another 22 years of the same policies finally erase Institutional Racism?

    Help me out please.


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    Systemic racism is a symbolic term. Racism exists in two possible places: It exists in the individual or it exists in the institution.

    Institutional racism is policy based. Red-lining, Jim Crow, etc. It is illegal in every form in the US with the exception of college admissions.

    Individual racism is different. It is personal beliefs that lead to treating someone unfairly based on their color. These beliefs exist, but they are legal as long as the financial and physical treatment doesn’t differ.

    Systemic racism is the idea that symbols and history are racist. How is that even possible? Certainly historic institutional and individual racism lead to bad outcomes that still have some impact, but there is no policy that can fix that. By fighting systemic/symbolic racism, people are rallying against a ghost in the machine. It’s a control tactic.
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    • #3
      For Affirmative Action remember that quotas are currently illegal (though there is a push to change that). AA means that you heavily recruit underrepresented groups, then you make a hire based on merit. If merit is equal, then you have to hire the minority. It is a very slight advantage for the underrepresnted, but more importantly, it does stop institutional racism.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post
        Does it exist?

        https://thehill.com/homenews/coronav...portionate?amp



        What the **** is Dr. Fauci talking about here?

        Please somebody enlighten me on Institutional Racism.



        22 years of getting a free pass to the front of the line in anything and everything regardless of qualifications. Will another 22 years of the same policies finally erase Institutional Racism?

        Help me out please.


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        He's a card carrying #resister, in case nobody knew that...

        No one can possibly be surprised he said something as ignorant as that, could they?

        Why would anyone believe just about a-n-y-t-h-in-g this man says is beyond me? Go back to February and read his statements.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by wufan View Post
          For Affirmative Action remember that quotas are currently illegal (though there is a push to change that). AA means that you heavily recruit underrepresented groups, then you make a hire based on merit. If merit is equal, then you have to hire the minority. It is a very slight advantage for the underrepresnted, but more importantly, it does stop institutional racism.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirm...nd%20women.%22

          In the United States, affirmative action included the use of racial quotas until the Supreme Court questioned their constitutionality and mandated more indirect use of race.[10] Affirmative action currently tends to emphasize not specific quotas but rather "targeted goals" to address past discrimination in a particular institution or in broader society through "good-faith efforts ... to identify, select, and train potentially qualified minorities and women."
          I'm fairly certain that quotas exist, particularly in companies with government contracts - of which there are many; e.g., Spirit Aerosystems.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirm...nd%20women.%22



            I'm fairly certain that quotas exist, particularly in companies with government contracts - of which there are many; e.g., Spirit Aerosystems.


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            Actual quotas are illegal. Targeted goals are not. It’s still a merit based hiring system. Semantics maybe.
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            • #7
              https://cei.org/blog/labor-departmen...eral-contracts

              As the Cato Institute's Walter Olson notes, the rules impose quotas in all but name; the director of the Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs
              insists the initiative should not be described as quotas, since contractors falling short will not suffer automatic penalty. Instead, they’ll be thrown into a process of auditing and having their internal procedures put under review and having to demonstrate progress and that sort of thing. Nothing penalty-like about that! Also, if their willingness to go along with this process doesn’t please the federal overseers, they can eventually be debarred from any future contract work, a devastating economic sanction for many firms. Crucially, the feds are applying the regulation to firms’ entire workforce even if only a single divisions has federal contracts, so that if, say, a food company has one line of business that caters to the military, and nineteen others that do no federal contracting whatsoever, all twenty lines must adopt the quot… sorry, benchmarks.


              Spirit/Boeing has aggressively aimed for their diversity "targets" over the years, as being a government contractor, they were vulnerable to continual "diversity reviews" and the "non-punitive" consequences that followed.


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              • #8
                Try telling Asian Americans that quotas are illegal

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BostonWu View Post
                  Try telling Asian Americans that quotas are illegal
                  Asian Americans suffer from discrimination when applying to elite schools. That was upheld by the Supreme Court as legal.
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                  • #10
                    FiveThirtyEight weighs in

                    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...s-in-policing/
                    “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
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                    • #11
                      FiveThirtyEight assumes that police are interacting with black people because they want to. If that is the case, then yes, this would be a collider bias.

                      NYC and other major cities strategically disperse their personnel based on reports of crime. If 10% of the crime occurs in area x then area x gets 10% of the police force to patrol that area. One way to check to ensure this isn’t a bias is to see what the percentage of complaints are against a particular race and see what the arrest rate is for that race. Turns out they are statistically the same across all studies.

                      No one refutes these facts, however the left will usually state that the studies themselves are racist. In order to get to a bias in police overall, you have to start with the premise that the police are biased, then you can claim that this racism results in all of these problems.

                      Collider bias has already been addressed in numerous studies. Too bad FiveThirtyEight didn’t look at that data.
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