The Country of CHAZ

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Slightly off topic. I am armed, but not heavily so. Tomorrow I change course. Suggestions on reasonable, useful and effective purchases?

If you want to be well protected, here is advice from someone living in the edge of civilization:

You want as few calibers as possible. I would look into .223 Wylde because it will shoot both 5.56 and .223 effectively so you could shoot almost anything anybody has. A holographic reflex site and 45* iron sites are a good set up.

Make sure you have a pistol. I really like the Springfield xd lineup. I shot an XDM a few days ago and really liked it. I prefer no bells and whistles on my pistol. 9, 10, 40 s&w, 45 seem to be the most popular. Again, get something a lot of people have, like a 45.

That’s a good set up if you want to be mobile. If you want to defend your castle, get a short barreled shotgun (Remington 870 would be good) as well. Get double slug bear rounds and buckshot and load them alternating.

I recommend at least 1k rifle and 1k pistol ammo. 500 shotgun. Double if you have a place you can stash it if you need to get away.

stock up on iodine, and get a life straw.

I get pilot bread at Costco but I’m pretty sure the AK Costco’s are the only ones that sell it.

I also recommend getting a bulldozer and cladding it in armor and concrete so you can tread on those who tread on you.

also, buy a canoe. It’s fun to go boating with everything you just purchased at a place like the Marion reservoir and but would be tragic if you capsized and lost it all up by the dam.

[Kel Varnsen]

I also recommend getting a bulldozer and cladding it in armor and concrete so you can tread on those who tread on you.

Died laughing at this line. Good stuff.

[RoyalShock]

I guess this is as good a place as any to post this. While you may or may not agree with the the anonymous writer's thoughts I think most readers would accept that the writer's positions have been very well thought out and very intelligently presented. If the writer is who he claims he is, and there is some evidence that he is, then I can totally understand why this has been done anonymously. I am confident that if he is who he says it is he would be summarily cancelled.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...tats-and-logic

That could have been written by Candace Owens.

[BOBB]

This idea of being prepped is so ridiculous to me. If SHTF, get out right away. How would your 10 cans of ammo and canoe do you in Syria? The mofos in Syria that had the cash and prescience to GTFO are the live ones.Your best defense against anarchy and war is your feet. Holing up in the woods for a decade or more isn't any kind of living I would want to do.

I'm strapped and provisioned enough to wait out a week or two of unrest and fend off a rabble or two of ne'er-do-wells. If the jackbooted right and brown-shirted left decide to rip the country apart, I'm out while it's still doable. Uruguay?

[ShockerPrez]

I think that when most people weigh revolution vs status quo most people will choose status quo. All in all, this country functions pretty damn well, if you are willing to play ball. Sure there are tons of societal responsibilities that we have to endure in order to coexist, like working, supporting yourself, feeding yourself, abiding by laws, etc. The problem is that one political party and their minions have nuanced the **** out of these responsibilities to the point where they see these societal norms as a form of slavery. And everything that you need for survival is a right. For example, having to work a job in order to afford healthcare. In essence, having to work a job and earn an income is now seen by the left as a form of slavery. You are a slave to a job for the health insurance. This type of thinking comes from the faculty lounge type philosophy of people who sit and do nothing except try to sound intellectually superior to everyone. In their world, everyone should be free to pursue songwriting and tik-tok videos if that's what they decide that's what makes them happy. They shouldn't have to be burdened by feeding themselves or worrying about getting sick. The problem is that in order to have food and electricity people have to actually do something to make that happen. If everyone decided that they all wanted to make tik-tok videos paint, we wouldn't have electricity or paint!

These people need to be challenged intellectually to take their thinking all the way to the end. For example, I love asking the healthcare is a right crowd "What if there are no doctors?" And they look at me like I'm an idiot. Then I seriously ask them. What if no one ever wanted to become a doctor? How does someone get healthcare with no doctors? How is it going to be a right with no one to perform said healthcare? They just assume that everything stays static. Just like socialists assume that they can enact socialist economic policies on top of a capitalistic economy. Doesn't work.

I also love asking these folks, "Okay, you've took all the millionaire's money, everyone is the same" Now what? You can only confiscate it once. And how much money does everyone get to keep of theirs? $100k? $200k? How much is the point at which someone has enough? And who gets to decide?

Anyway, back to my point. I think most people aren't really paying much attention to this because their lives are good. They send their kids to college and they return home and say something stupid and the parents teach them pretty quick that that isn't how things work. And then the kids themselves realize that they like having money and eating, over being poor and miserable, even if it means working a crap job they don't like. They can still find enough stuff to make them relatively happy. Whereas these lefties who always want to be the counter-culture which 100% of these lefties are, are just miserable people in general.

Which is another point... How are you the counter-culture when everyone you come into contact with, media, education, pop-culture, all agree with you?

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This idea of being prepped is so ridiculous to me. If SHTF, get out right away. How would your 10 cans of ammo and canoe do you in Syria? The mofos in Syria that had the cash and prescience to GTFO are the live ones.Your best defense against anarchy and war is your feet. Holing up in the woods for a decade or more isn't any kind of living I would want to do.

I'm strapped and provisioned enough to wait out a week or two of unrest and fend off a rabble or two of ne'er-do-wells. If the jackbooted right and brown-shirted left decide to rip the country apart, I'm out while it's still doable. Uruguay?

Depends on how much you care about this country. Some would gladly shed their blood (like millions before them) to save her. Comparing America to Syria would be like comparing a Rolls Royce to a Yugo.

How long would my 10 cans of ammo last along with 10 million other partriots' cans of ammo standing shoulder to shoulder? A long ***** time I reckon'...

Much of the military and police would desert if the **** hits the fan. Lots of military weaponry would find its way into civilian hands as well.

This is a terrible scenario to think about which is why retards like those in Seattle need to just go home to their parents, apologize, and then find a job.

There's protesting and then there's playing with fire.


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[BOBB]

I think that when most people weigh revolution vs status quo most people will choose status quo. All in all, this country functions pretty damn well, if you are willing to play ball. Sure there are tons of societal responsibilities that we have to endure in order to coexist, like working, supporting yourself, feeding yourself, abiding by laws, etc. The problem is that one political party and their minions have nuanced the **** out of these responsibilities to the point where they see these societal norms as a form of slavery. And everything that you need for survival is a right. For example, having to work a job in order to afford healthcare. In essence, having to work a job and earn an income is now seen by the left as a form of slavery. You are a slave to a job for the health insurance. This type of thinking comes from the faculty lounge type philosophy of people who sit and do nothing except try to sound intellectually superior to everyone. In their world, everyone should be free to pursue songwriting and tik-tok videos if that's what they decide that's what makes them happy. They shouldn't have to be burdened by feeding themselves or worrying about getting sick. The problem is that in order to have food and electricity people have to actually do something to make that happen. If everyone decided that they all wanted to make tik-tok videos paint, we wouldn't have electricity or paint!

These people need to be challenged intellectually to take their thinking all the way to the end. For example, I love asking the healthcare is a right crowd "What if there are no doctors?" And they look at me like I'm an idiot. Then I seriously ask them. What if no one ever wanted to become a doctor? How does someone get healthcare with no doctors? How is it going to be a right with no one to perform said healthcare? They just assume that everything stays static. Just like socialists assume that they can enact socialist economic policies on top of a capitalistic economy. Doesn't work.

I also love asking these folks, "Okay, you've took all the millionaire's money, everyone is the same" Now what? You can only confiscate it once. And how much money does everyone get to keep of theirs? $100k? $200k? How much is the point at which someone has enough? And who gets to decide?

Anyway, back to my point. I think most people aren't really paying much attention to this because their lives are good. They send their kids to college and they return home and say something stupid and the parents teach them pretty quick that that isn't how things work. And then the kids themselves realize that they like having money and eating, over being poor and miserable, even if it means working a crap job they don't like. They can still find enough stuff to make them relatively happy. Whereas these lefties who always want to be the counter-culture which 100% of these lefties are, are just miserable people in general.

Which is another point... How are you the counter-culture when everyone you come into contact with, media, education, pop-culture, all agree with you?

You make some good points, but you can take that argument and turn it on its head.

Should all roads be toll roads?
Should all schools be private?
Should you pay directly for fire and police service?
Should public fountains be coin operated?
Should all national, state, and local parks be auctioned to private owners?
Should sewers be optional for homeowners?
Should the children of the poor starve?

I'm left of center, certainly well left of you. I am a high earner with some net worth. I don't like paying taxes more than the next guy. But, I see personal and societal benefit in the public good that comes from some of these programs. Kids in school getting two meals a day rather than running around the streets all day, for example. I think everyone having access to regular medical care is a benefit that we would see to society in excess of its cost. Imagine, as a business owner telling your insurance broker to **** off and shedding half of your HR expense? Doesn't sound like communism to me.

I'm not in the free **** for all camp, but I'm all for anything that makes sense economically with a long view. Like preventing the French Revolution a la Americana.

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You make some good points, but you can take that argument and turn it on its head.

Should all roads be toll roads?
Should all schools be private?
Should you pay directly for fire and police service?
Should public fountains be coin operated?
Should all national, state, and local parks be auctioned to private owners?
Should sewers be optional for homeowners?
Should the children of the poor starve?

I'm left of center, certainly well left of you. I am a high earner with some net worth. I don't like paying taxes more than the next guy. But, I see personal and societal benefit in the public good that comes from some of these programs. Kids in school getting two meals a day rather than running around the streets all day, for example. I think everyone having access to regular medical care is a benefit that we would see to society in excess of its cost. Imagine, as a business owner telling your insurance broker to **** off and shedding half of your HR expense? Doesn't sound like communism to me.

I'm not in the free **** for all camp, but I'm all for anything that makes sense economically with a long view. Like preventing the French Revolution a la Americana.

Imagine, as a business owner telling your insurance broker to **** off and shedding half of your HR expense? Doesn't sound like communism to me.

Mr. High Earner BOBB w/ some net worth:

Who pays for the "halving of all American business HR expense" pray tell?

P.S. And once that resource dries up who then?


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[C0|dB|00ded]

The reality is: some people just do not deserve to live long and healthy lives... and they're okay with that.

...until they're not.

The beauty of living in America is that you have choices. You have the choice to prepare for the future or you have the choice to live for today. Each one has its benefits and drawbacks.

I have a younger friend whom I mentor. I simply cannot get him to think about the future. He lives for today. And he's okay with that.


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[WuDrWu]

If you want to be well protected, here is advice from someone living in the edge of civilization:

You want as few calibers as possible. I would look into .223 Wylde because it will shoot both 5.56 and .223 effectively so you could shoot almost anything anybody has. A holographic reflex site and 45* iron sites are a good set up.

Make sure you have a pistol. I really like the Springfield xd lineup. I shot an XDM a few days ago and really liked it. I prefer no bells and whistles on my pistol. 9, 10, 40 s&w, 45 seem to be the most popular. Again, get something a lot of people have, like a 45.

That’s a good set up if you want to be mobile. If you want to defend your castle, get a short barreled shotgun (Remington 870 would be good) as well. Get double slug bear rounds and buckshot and load them alternating.

I recommend at least 1k rifle and 1k pistol ammo. 500 shotgun. Double if you have a place you can stash it if you need to get away.

stock up on iodine, and get a life straw.

I get pilot bread at Costco but I’m pretty sure the AK Costco’s are the only ones that sell it.

I also recommend getting a bulldozer and cladding it in armor and concrete so you can tread on those who tread on you.

also, buy a canoe. It’s fun to go boating with everything you just purchased at a place like the Marion reservoir and but would be tragic if you capsized and lost it all up by the dam.

Thanks for the information. Is the idea behind alternately loading buckshot and slugs just simply to have one of them if and when you need it?

[BOBB]

Mr. High Earner BOBB w/ some net worth:

Who pays for the "halving of all American business HR expense" pray tell?

P.S. And once that resource dries up who then?


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We all do. The same way you pay today when you fork over $3500 to get some stitches at the ER to subsidize all the people who come in for what should be Dr visits and can't pay. We all agree that there is no free lunch, so these people are being served today at someone's expense. I argue its less efficient and more expensive than having them walk into a community clinic. Your argument is that further government supported health care and the like would be a disincentive to work and wealth creation. I don't believe that to be the case until you reach significantly higher marginal tax rates combined with exponentially higher benefits. We are nowhere close to that today.

[WstateU]

My favorite CHAZ...

[ShockerPrez]

You make some good points, but you can take that argument and turn it on its head.

Should all roads be toll roads?
Should all schools be private?
Should you pay directly for fire and police service?
Should public fountains be coin operated?
Should all national, state, and local parks be auctioned to private owners?
Should sewers be optional for homeowners?
Should the children of the poor starve?

I'm left of center, certainly well left of you. I am a high earner with some net worth. I don't like paying taxes more than the next guy. But, I see personal and societal benefit in the public good that comes from some of these programs. Kids in school getting two meals a day rather than running around the streets all day, for example. I think everyone having access to regular medical care is a benefit that we would see to society in excess of its cost. Imagine, as a business owner telling your insurance broker to **** off and shedding half of your HR expense? Doesn't sound like communism to me.

I'm not in the free **** for all camp, but I'm all for anything that makes sense economically with a long view. Like preventing the French Revolution a la Americana.

There is no question that services provided by government are necessary. They are there because the communities as a whole have deemed them so and are willing to pay taxes that in most instances were specifically voted in favor of, for them to be levied. And so long as there is a balance between the taxes levied, a tax base capable of supporting the taxes levied and supplies/providers that can provide the service/benefit at the cost agreeable to the community, then we have harmony. Where my issue comes in, is when people begin to deem such services a right. It is not a right for children to be fed in schools. It is a benefit/service because the populace providing it deemed it morally and/or societally beneficial. And it has not put an undue burden on the community to provide it. Now, we may agree that providing healthcare to the poor is beneficial and the right thing to do, however, we have not determined that everyone's healthcare should be equal and provided by the government. And having healthcare is definitely not a right, in same vein as Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

So when we start to see civil unrest and disagreements, it's when people start to demand things from their fellow citizens. And those that have are not willing to subsidize or give up their liberties in order to provide for the services to the community at large. Whether that be based on moral or financial or even selfish reasons, it doesn't matter. If I choose not to give to charity because I'm an asshole, that's my right. And no one can force me to donate to a charity. But I don't get that decision when the government taxes me. And politicians found out long time ago, that taking on these issues and turning them political is a great way to garner votes. Therefore everything is now political. Take an issue, make it a right. Your opponent doesn't want to give it to you, they are demonized and selfish. It's their fault that you don't have this, or can't do that. You're seeing it right now. I don't know where it ends. But politicians are getting rich and donors are getting rich. And people who all these taxes are intended to benefit aren't any better off.

I would be all in favor of castrating the federal government and turning a very large portion of federal services back to the states for starters.

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Thanks for the information. Is the idea behind alternately loading buckshot and slugs just simply to have one of them if and when you need it?

It’s what we do for bear. It’s the same principle behind Colds theory.

[shock]

This idea of being prepped is so ridiculous to me. If SHTF, get out right away. How would your 10 cans of ammo and canoe do you in Syria? The mofos in Syria that had the cash and prescience to GTFO are the live ones.Your best defense against anarchy and war is your feet. Holing up in the woods for a decade or more isn't any kind of living I would want to do.

I'm strapped and provisioned enough to wait out a week or two of unrest and fend off a rabble or two of ne'er-do-wells. If the jackbooted right and brown-shirted left decide to rip the country apart, I'm out while it's still doable. Uruguay?

The canoe is for loading up all your guns and heading out over a deep body of water. I can’t recommend it, because mine capsized when I tried it this spring.

having a 223 wylde and a 45 ensures your ability to MOVE.

I did my GTFO in 2016 when I moved to the last place in the United States without an organized local government. We barely have law enforcement. I’m so glad I moved. You guys have to put up with BLM, city cops, my in-laws, and other undesirables.