Say it aint so Ron Paul?

[Maggie]

OK I have read up on his foreign policy. He does have a couple of eyebrow raisers -- but not as many as it seems at first glance. And Maggie's laying it on a _little_ thick (but I do get it). The single most troubling issue of concern to me, is to what extent he would shut down our bases over seas. God forbid it ever occur, we should always be in a position to strike quickly. We may be FAR overreaching in terms of number of bases (700 throughout the world in 130 countries). He may convince me that we need to close 90% of them (for example) -- but I keep seeing "close ALL" the bases. That isn't something I am in alignment with.

Close 90% of them and _substantially_ beef up the last 10% -- that would sound a lot better to the right. Instead I keep reading a more eccentric "all".

Maggie: In order to have a reasonable discussion it would be helpful to stop calling him a fool and start pointing out specific policies that concern you. Otherwise we ain't learnin' nuffin'.

You can argue that the U.S. Military is over deployed – and I would agree. You can argue that the Defense Department should be cut down. Personally, I have no issue with that. I guess what bothers me most about Ron Paul, in this area, is his insistence that U.S. foreign policy is the proximate cause of everything that has happened for 20 years. If you listen to what the man has to say – that is what your are going to hear. Furthermore, he thinks that such a retraction would change things.

I am partial to Libertarianism – but not the strain Paul represents. And that is a sad thing – because I actually think Libertarianism has something to offer, but it will be marginalized as long as Ron Paul is out front.

[pinstripers]

JC, I wish the Iowa thing was over............

[shockmonster]

I didn't read every post on here so if I'm repeating another, I apologize.
Ron Paul's beliefs=Neville Chamberlain's beliefs. My opinion is that if one miscalculates that way in today's world is dangerous.

[Maggie]

I didn't read every post on here so if I'm repeating another, I apologize.
Ron Paul's beliefs=Neville Chamberlain's beliefs. My opinion is that if one miscalculates that way in today's world is dangerous.

I don't think so. Is he foolish, yes. Is he NC, no.

[pinstripers]

Pretty good comparison. That doesn't make him a bad person.

[shockmonster]

I think that anyone who says that the United States is at fault for the attack on the Twin Towers is an appeaser. Appeasement=Neville Chamberlain=Ron Paul

[Kung Wu]

This thread is nothing but name calling with near zero substance. Maggie simply calls Paul a "fool" ad nauseum, sneaks in "isolationist" (which is false -- he favors trade with foreign entities), and now shockmonster calling him "Neville Chamberlain" and "appeaser". At least shockmonster offered a reason behind the name calling.

@shockmonster:, what specifically did Paul say that disturbs you? Please don't use generalities -- his words get twisted enough by the RINOs in the GOP that I don't need a repeat of their opinion. A quote from Paul with a source would be ideal.

[Kung Wu]

You can argue that the U.S. Military is over deployed – and I would agree. You can argue that the Defense Department should be cut down. Personally, I have no issue with that. I guess what bothers me most about Ron Paul, in this area, is his insistence that U.S. foreign policy is the proximate cause of everything that has happened for 20 years. If you listen to what the man has to say – that is what your are going to hear. Furthermore, he thinks that such a retraction would change things.

So you agree with the two most central tenants of his foreign policy and then give an ambiguous reference to something I cannot find a quote to backup -- and believe me nearly everything he says on camera is in print. This is the closest I can find to the only actual concern you have:

"We live way beyond our means,with a foreign policy we can’t afford and an entitlement system that we have encouraged."

He places as much blame on entitlements as he does our foreign policy which is contradictory to your assertion.

I'm starting to question if you are just blindly believing the word on the street put out by the RINOs running the GOP (who would love it if he would just go away due to the threat he poses in upsetting their comfortable world).

I am partial to Libertarianism – but not the strain Paul represents. And that is a sad thing – because I actually think Libertarianism has something to offer, but it will be marginalized as long as Ron Paul is out front.

In what way does Paul misrepresent your understanding of Libertarianism?

[SB Shock]

what specifically did Paul say that disturbs you? Please don't use generalities --

Here is a disturbing Ron Quote

Ron: "Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I'm worried what you just heard was, 'Give me a lot of bacon and eggs.' What I said was, 'Give me all the bacon and eggs you have.' Do you understand?"

[SB Shock]

Seriously - Ron Paul in one of his newsletters blamed Mossad for attempting to blow up the world trade center in 1993. It is to convenient to blame it on his ghost writers when he made millions off of them.

Paul has argued that while the newsletters went out under his name, others did the writing.
But in 1996, Paul told the Dallas Morning News that the material was accurate but had merely been taken out of context.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ron-paul-2012-goper-walks-cnn-interview-racist-newsletters-article-1.995353#ixzz1hTWtTbTJ

Here is the link to the Dallas morning new article in 1996 where he said:

Dr. Paul, who is running in Texas' 14th Congressional District, defended his writings in an interview Tuesday. He said they were being taken out of context.
"It's typical political demagoguery,"

http://www.criticalreactor.com/ronpaul/newsletters/1996_Dallas_Morning_News.html

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[Kung Wu]

He said he didnt write those things and he doesn't believe them. Thats evident in that he hasnt said any of that nonsense in public.

Now ... find something he DID say that you find disturbing, dangerous, etc so we have something to talk about other than failed RINO attempts to discredit him.

[Kung Wu]

Here is a disturbing Ron Quote

Ron: "Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I'm worried what you just heard was, 'Give me a lot of bacon and eggs.' What I said was, 'Give me all the bacon and eggs you have.' Do you understand?"

LOL

[pinstripers]

I just bought his new workout video.

[Kung Wu]

I just bought his new workout video.

You mean the one for pregnant women?

[SB Shock]

He said he didnt write those things and he doesn't believe them. Thats evident in that he hasnt said any of that nonsense in public.

Now ... find something he DID say that you find disturbing, dangerous, etc so we have something to talk about other than failed RINO attempts to discredit him.

He says now he had no knowledge, but in the past he said he was saying he was being quoted out of context. He even changed his tune in the short CNN interview. He has a credibility problem. Regardless of whether he wrote them or not - he discredited himself.

A pundit asked this question:

If Ron Paul is so libertarian that he won’t even police people who use his name, if his movement is filled with incompetents and opportunists, then what kind of a president would he make? Would he even check in to see if his ideas are being implemented? Who would he appoint to Cabinet positions?

Do you want to talk about his belief that Bradley Manning is a Patriot?

He left the Republican part before - why did he come back?

He says if South Korea is attacked we should not get involved (evidently he is doesn't understand we have forward deployed troops in S. Korea).

He says we should pull out all our troops that are forward deployed bases and bring the navy home.

He says Al Qaeda attacked us because we have been bombing Iraq for 10 years

He says the Taliban doesn't mean they want to come here and kill us - though they allowed Al Queda safe haven before 9/11.

He has said we should stay out of people habits and legalize marijuana, cocaine and even heroin.

All you have to do is dig a little.